Sparx Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I saw a boat for sale. The designer/builder is John Nicol. I have searched around on the web but cant find any info. Is this a good build of narrow boat? Is it a known build? Its a tapered hull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Only one boat on the Canalplan boat list by anything like Nicol: Mazarine Blue Built by Nicolls Of Runnymede in 1930 - Length : 7.5 metres ( 24 feet 7 inches ) - Beam : 1.8 metres ( 5 feet 11 inches )Powered by an Inboard Petrol engine with a capacity of 1600 CC. Registered with Environment Authority - Thames Region number M1255 as a Private Motor Boat. ( Last updated on Friday 27th April 2007 ) http://canalplan.org.uk/boat/52335 Have you got the name right? Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Might it be Peter Nichols? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenA Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Only one boat on the Canalplan boat list by anything like Nicol: http://canalplan.org.uk/boat/52335 Have you got the name right? Richard Don't forget that details like builder aren't mandatory information for CRT (in fact 11,000 entries in the Boat Register for CRT boats have "Unknown" as the builder) - and as its "freetext" then you get all sorts of problems with it. Once I get the CRT data for this year I'm going to try to do some more data tidying. For example: +----------------------+----------------+ | builder | count(builder) | +----------------------+----------------+ | BCN BOAT SERV/NICHOL | 1 | | NICHOLAS SHEEN | 1 | | NICHOLS | 1 | | NICHOLS OF YORK | 2 | | NICHOLSON | 1 | | P.NICHOLS STEEL BTS | 178 | | PETER NICHOLLS | 12 | | PETER NICHOLLS YACHT | 2 | | PETER NICHOLS | 7 | | PETER NICHOLS STEEL | 1 | | PHILP E NICHOLSON | 1 | | PORTER NICHOLLS | 1 | +----------------------+----------------+ Edited August 19, 2015 by StephenA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Don't forget that details like builder aren't mandatory information for CRT (in fact 11,000 entries in the Boat Register for CRT boats have "Unknown" as the builder) - and as its "freetext" then you get all sorts of problems with it. Once I get the CRT data for this year I'm going to try to do some more data tidying. For example: +----------------------+----------------+ | builder | count(builder) | +----------------------+----------------+ | BCN BOAT SERV/NICHOL | 1 | | NICHOLAS SHEEN | 1 | | NICHOLS | 1 | | NICHOLS OF YORK | 2 | | NICHOLSON | 1 | | P.NICHOLS STEEL BTS | 178 | | PETER NICHOLLS | 12 | | PETER NICHOLLS YACHT | 2 | | PETER NICHOLS | 7 | | PETER NICHOLS STEEL | 1 | | PHILP E NICHOLSON | 1 | | PORTER NICHOLLS | 1 | +----------------------+----------------+No All of your examples have an H in the name Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenA Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 All of your examples have an H in the name Richard That was to show the problem with the builder field. Looking for anything with looking like nico you get: +----------------------+----------------+ | builder | count(builder) | +----------------------+----------------+ | Nicolls Of Runnymede | 1 | | NICOPLUS | 1 | +----------------------+----------------+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Would it be accepted on the system if one put Saddam Hussein in the builder field? I can see some space for a bit of humour in there or is it filtered at least a bit I saw a boat for sale. The designer/builder is John Nicol. I have searched around on the web but cant find any info. Is this a good build of narrow boat? Is it a known build? Its a tapered hull. Is there a photo of the boat available? You might be surprised by the collective knowledge on here if for example you were able to post a photo of the bow section of the boat (assuming its a narrow boat) there are also some experts on splitters (GRP boats) about A tapered hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGA Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I'm having a new boat built, One company building the shell, one company installing the engine insulation and windows, priming and blacking and third company doing the fit out, so which Company is the boat builder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I'm having a new boat built, One company building the shell, one company installing the engine insulation and windows, priming and blacking and third company doing the fit out, so which Company is the boat builder? The one who built the shell. The others are boat fitters Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparx Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 OK. Thanks for the replies. Much appreciated. Its a boat for sale on Apolloduck. Seems like he may be an unknown designer/builder. Im a first time buyer so I'd best be careful and there are other optoions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fizz Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 The one who built the shell. The others are boat fitters Richard just ensure that the RCD certification is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I'm having a new boat built, One company building the shell, one company installing the engine insulation and windows, priming and blacking and third company doing the fit out, so which Company is the boat builder? For the purposed of the RCD, you are the builder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 For the purposed of the RCD, you are the builder. I disagree, he's the boat fitter Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) I saw a boat for sale. The designer/builder is John Nicol. I have searched around on the web but cant find any info. Is this a good build of narrow boat? Is it a known build? Its a tapered hull. Unusual rudder if its this one http://www.apolloduck.co.uk/image.phtml?id=346266&ximage=193069 Hurst Boatbuilders Edited August 25, 2015 by ditchcrawler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Unusual rudder if its this one http://www.apolloduck.co.uk/image.phtml?id=346266&ximage=193069 Hurst Boatbuilders[/size] I'm surprised she was built in 2007. With that engine and the style of the boat, I would have put her at least twenty years earlier Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I'm surprised she was built in 2007. With that engine and the style of the boat, I would have put her at least twenty years earlier Richard I am only guessing that is the boat in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Star Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Might it be Peter Nichols? From the link provided after your post, it''s not a Peter Nicholls boat, the dead giveaway with Peter Nicholls boats is that they have a cut and welded Z shaped tiller rather than a pipe-bent S shaped tiller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I am only guessing that is the boat in question. In which case, I'm surprised the boat in the advert was built in 2007 etc, etc. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I disagree, he's the boat fitter Richard When I was attempting to RCD my first NB, I'm fairly sure I was officially the boatbuilder for the purposes of obtaining the RCD certification. I bought a hull, I had it fitted out, I purchased various bits of kit, and in doing so I was taking on the role of builder according to the rules of the RCD. I could be wrong and I'd be interested if things have changed since then. Do you have a reference supporting your disagreement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark99 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 When I was attempting to RCD my first NB, I'm fairly sure I was officially the boatbuilder for the purposes of obtaining the RCD certification. I bought a hull, I had it fitted out, I purchased various bits of kit, and in doing so I was taking on the role of builder according to the rules of the RCD. I could be wrong and I'd be interested if things have changed since then. Do you have a reference supporting your disagreement? My boat was built by Roger Fuller to a almost finished sailaway. The builders plate has the original boat owners name on it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) My boat was built by Roger Fuller to a almost finished sailaway. The builders plate has the original boat owners name on it though. Yes, my point exactly. I think Richard and I are at cross purposes really. In the real world of common sense and logic, it makes sense to call the hull builder the boatbuilder. In the looking glass world of EEC regulation and getting the RCD, the person making the phone calls and writing the cheques is the boatbuilder. Edited August 26, 2015 by Mike the Boilerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Hogg Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'm having a new boat built, One company building the shell, one company installing the engine insulation and windows, priming and blacking and third company doing the fit out, so which Company is the boat builder? In this case if you have chosen the firms, you are the builder, its that simple. Unusual rudder if its this one http://www.apolloduck.co.uk/image.phtml?id=346266&ximage=193069 Hurst Boatbuilders Dutch style tube rudder, they work quite well, many large barges have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 If you choose Company A to build the shell, take delivery, then engage Company B to fit it out, then you are the boatbuilder. But if you engage Company B to build you a boat, using a shell supplied to them by Company A, and your contract is only with B, then B is the boatbuilder. Similarly if you engage A to build the boat and they subcontract the fitting out to B, then A is the boatbuilder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bargemast Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Unusual rudder if its this one http://www.apolloduck.co.uk/image.phtml?id=346266&ximage=193069 Hurst Boatbuilders This rudder looks like a "Kitchen" rudder to me, if you look at the tiller just above the deck it seems to have a construction that will move the 2 halves by lifting the tiller up, or by pushing it down. Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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