Squeak! Squeak!

[tree monkey]

13 minutes ago, beerbeerbeerbeerbeer said:

as a rule I tend not to kill anything,

the spiders get a free run on the boat ‘cause they kill the flies,

thing with a trap how can you guarantee it’ll kill something out right ? and the victim ain’t gonna die an agonisingly slow death,

and then you got deal with the mess,

I used to go out shooting rabbits till I realised I was maiming more than I was killing. 

 

used to live on a farm and farmer would put down poison,

killed the rats ok but then they rotted and the smell took a few weeks to a month to disappear,

mind with the dogs that’d rolled in badger and fox shit one got used to the awful smells  
 

 

 

It's not something I particularly enjoy and I definitely don't like using poison and your right no method is guaranteed 100% but I do my best when I have to

[Tracy D'arth]

1 hour ago, tree monkey said:

I agree and i suspect the original post was intended to trigger a row, so ignored it.

It's perfectly possible to find a kill trap big enough to take a rat, I actually have a couple, although I tend to deal with rats with the air rifle, the mice on the other hand love peanut butter

That is a very nasty thing to assume, it was not intended to trigger any row at all. I don't enjoy killing anything but rats will take over if you do not control the population. And they are a serious health risk to boaters.

So you think inflicting injury with an air rifle is acceptable? Can you guarantee a clean kill every time? I think not.

[Ronaldo47]

We have a rodent problem in the garden at home. I bought what is said on the label to be "Formula B+ advanced rat killer". I started putting it out two months ago, but judging from the undiminished rate at which the bait is continuing to vanish, the rodents  seem more likely to die of obesity than poison. Its active ingredient is "0.0029%w/w (0.029g/kg) Brodifacoum."  

 

The label says it should eliminate them within 35 days and if that doesn't work, call in a specialist. 

 

Can anyone recommend a rat poison that works for them? 

Edited March 15 by Ronaldo47
typos

[Tracy D'arth]

1 minute ago, Ronaldo47 said:

We have a rodent problem in the garden  at home. I bought what is said on the label to be "Formula B+ advanced rat killer". I started putting it out two months ago, but judging from the undiminished rate at which the bait vanishes, the rodents  seem more likely to die of obesity than poison. Its active ingredient is " 0.0029%w/w (0.029g/kg) Brodifacoum."  

Can anyone recommend a rat poison that works for them? 

As I understand it from farmers, they get used to a poison very quickly. If they can find maise they eat it as an antidote. They breed at such an astounding rate that control has to be constant.

The poisons are very weak as farm dogs eat it regularly and it does them no obvious harm.

I have seen ratters with terriers in farm buildings killing 30 to 40 rats per building, some are monsters.

There is a story that if you have mice you do not have rats, don't know if its true.

[tree monkey]

3 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:

That is a very nasty thing to assume, it was not intended to trigger any row at all. I don't enjoy killing anything but rats will take over if you do not control the population. And they are a serious health risk to boaters.

So you think inflicting injury with an air rifle is acceptable? Can you guarantee a clean kill every time? I think not.

 

So far every rat I have shot was a clean kill, I keep the range short and spend a week or so baiting the site so they are confident, what I don't do is trap them in a cage with no practical method of killing them apart from drowning That isn't a clean kill.

 

I am also aware of what a rodent infestation can do (quite personally actually) which is why I have an air rife and I practiced until I was confident, I also regularly set traps for mice and check them regularly.

[Ronaldo47]

I don't actually know what is eating the bait. I have now ordered a motion-sensitive nature cam to try to establish what is taking it.

Edited March 15 by Ronaldo47
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[Tracy D'arth]

14 minutes ago, tree monkey said:

 

So far every rat I have shot was a clean kill, I keep the range short and spend a week or so baiting the site so they are confident, what I don't do is trap them in a cage with no practical method of killing them apart from drowning That isn't a clean kill.

 

I am also aware of what a rodent infestation can do (quite personally actually) which is why I have an air rife and I practiced until I was confident, I also regularly set traps for mice and check them regularly.

A perfect shot then, you should be in the army!

#My doctor has told me that suicide by drowning is one of the most peaceful deaths as there is no pain and asphyxiation is rapid once the lungs fill with water preceded  very quickly by unconsciousness.#

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

47 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:

A perfect shot then, you should be in the army!

#My doctor has told me that suicide by drowning is one of the most peaceful deaths as there is no pain and asphyxiation is rapid once the lungs fill with water preceded  very quickly by unconsciousness.#

Dr Mengele was it?

 

[Tracy D'arth]

Jekyll.

[BWM]

15 hours ago, tree monkey said:

I agree and i suspect the original post was intended to trigger a row, so ignored it.

It's perfectly possible to find a kill trap big enough to take a rat, I actually have a couple, although I tend to deal with rats with the air rifle, the mice on the other hand love peanut butter

Agreed, I was reluctant to respond but the sick nature of the post outweighed this. I've no problem with necessary pest control but definitely do with actions as of the O.P. unfortunately, there's no cure for an inherently sick mind.

[Tracy D'arth]

2 hours ago, BWM said:

Agreed, I was reluctant to respond but the sick nature of the post outweighed this. I've no problem with necessary pest control but definitely do with actions as of the O.P. unfortunately, there's no cure for an inherently sick mind.

As many will already know, I do have a sick mind as you put it, brain tumors actually. I find your comment offensive and will report you.

Edited March 16 by Tracy D'arth

[Arthur Marshall]

If anyone was genuinely only interested in killing wildlife humanely, they'd never own a cat.

The guy who sold me my air gun for shooting squirrels insisted I bought one powerful enough for a clean kill, but as the target for that in the head is about the size of a peanut, it's virtually impossible to to do. My predecessor here used to trap and drown them. The last hedgehog to appear unwisely in my garden got disemboweled by a badger - I doubt it stunned it first. The thing is, animals don't treat animals humanely. Most humans don't even treat other humans humanely if they can get away with it. I can't get upset about a rat. And I swat wasps.

[system 4-50]

For hundreds of millions of years Darwin has been killing trillions of living things inhumanely.  I don't think the brief period when we are on the stage matters very much.  The delivery end is different.  I wouldn't want people to become accustomed to killing or to get to enjoy watching suffering.

[agg221]

A practical point for anyone finding themselves needing to dispatch an animal or bird with access to limited equipment and a good reason not to get close enough to use physical means - this would include for example rats and squirrels caught alive. Carbon dioxide is very effective. If you put the cage in a closed bin bag and add a glass containing sodium bicarbonate (baking powder) and vinegar the CO2 concentration gradually increases, inducing coma and death without pain. This is not absolute, but it is reasonably so within the range of pragmatic options available. The same can be used on domestic animals such as chickens, rabbits and small rodents where, for example, they have suffered severe injury from which they will not recover. It is apparently better for the CO2 to build up slowly as per the above method than to add it more rapidly from a cylinder as although death is quicker with the latter approach, it is painful before the animal loses consciousness, whereas with slow build-up the pain response is not observed.

 

We have a few chickens so there is always the possibility of a fox attack, and under some circumstances (e.g. severely injured but still very mobile and frightened) the above would be a less distressing end for them than trying to hold them still while breaking their necks or beheading on a block, hence why I did my research and had things ready before suddenly finding myself in the situation where I need to do this - fortunately it hasn't happened yet.

 

Alec

[BWM]

3 hours ago, Tracy D'arth said:

As many will already know, I do have a sick mind as you put it, brain tumors actually. I find your comment offensive and will report you.

Report away, but I would imagine that most would find your original post far more so.

[mrsmelly]

I let em all live in my garden. Its fabulous. We get the occasional rat who I think ,lives next door but pops over for a munch sometimes. We have lovely squirrels and indeed are oft visited by foxes and most nights a couple of badgers. All caught many times by our Trail cam. The squirrels sit over our heads in the trees and drop nut shells on us when sat out in late summer. We have slow worms as our garden adjoins the Ceredigion slow worm sanctuary lol. No hedgehogs as yet but working on that. 

[canals are us?]

We lived on a remote hillside in Herefordshire in the early 90's and caught a rat in our pantry. Hole in floor/wall. Humane trap got put in trailer with items for the tip in Leominster. When arrived at tip had forgotten to release the rat, but soon discovered the rat had broken free from the trap and was loose in the trailer! Opened the drop down ramp and off it scampered into the tip!! Sure it had a better life.

 

James.