beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, MtB said: So in saving £167 on the licence fee, another boat like yours would have to pay £30 a week in winter? I’ve paid about £70 a week to leave my smaller and thinner boat while I’m away for 5/6 weeks. mind it is in a rather salubrious area in the Midlands. Merry Xmas one and all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Goose Posted December 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 34 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: It may be a daft question but if you are always on the Thames and not CRT waters why did you buy a Gold Licence. As I don't plan on going on EA waters I have a CRT only licence not a gold one.. Well when I first took the boat on from the previous owner it was just easier to maintain the Gold licence and it is not really until now and going forwards that there was going to be much discernable difference. I dont write mooring fees into the equation as my style of boating and movement will be the same regardless. As previously stated I was always happy to contribute to the canal network but going forwards as a non user I cannot justify the forthcoming price increases and penalising surcharges over the next five years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolfashion Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 4 hours ago, magnetman said: He's got a sea going boat Having said that I have seen standard wide bean canal Boats in Ramsgit harbour and also at on the Hamble near Southampton, Tollesbury I am sure there are others. Newhaven. There are a couple in Cardiff bay as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, The Grey Goose said: they might have to rename it Platinum or something like. That's taken, it's the Bridgewater Canal extended stay permit. It was £1200 a year about 6 years ago, no idea what it costs now, and you still needed a normal boat licence as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 The point is though that the cost of boating is very much dependant on the grant from central government. The amount that boaters pay and that we all argue about is nothing like the full cost of running the canals. Just think of it as a sort of council tax, the amount we pay in council tax is again dependant on the government grant. And just think of the angling folks, they have to have an EA licence of £30 -£50 a year (and more). ostensibly to keep the water clean and look after the fish (!) The similarity between all three of these examples is that the more we pay to these organisations the less the government pays. It should be viewed as a straightforward tax. The government cuts the grants every year and it costs us (Much) more, The existence of the somewhat despised continuous cruiser, council tax defaulter or angler without an EA licence is never mentioned in the corridors of power but we really ought to point our blunderbusses at the real reasons for our costs and not at each other. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungleJames Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 6 hours ago, The Grey Goose said: Well we have been together for 6 long years but today my Decree Absolute came through and I am now with my new partner the EA. My new licence is nearly £200 cheaper for 2024 meaning that the CRT has just lost my nearly £1700.00 and subsequent years there after. Having never used CRT waters I was always happy to contribute from my widebeam on The Thames. Now many narrowboaters may yell good riddance but once us widebeams and other CC ers have gone they will come for the rest of you. Merry Xmas Richard Parry and a Prosperous New Year. £200. That it? So what you are admitting is the Gold license is actually good value, but you won't admit it as you have a new in your bonnet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 The Gold licence is very bad value for someone who never goes on CRT water. But if you do its a bargain. Somewhere in the CRT documentation they did mention the price for a Gold licence is going to also be rising to avoid the obvious problem of it becoming cheaper than a cc declaration canal licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Goose Posted December 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 18 minutes ago, JungleJames said: £200. That it? So what you are admitting is the Gold license is actually good value, but you won't admit it as you have a new in your bonnet? Yep £200 this year and substantially more in future years , the rest of your comment makes no sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 Other things which have changed are that the EA patrol Boats are not out so much. I remember when they were out a lot and would breathe down one's neck and ask when one is moving on if one was moored on towpath land. Regardless of land owner they would do it. Not any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 24 minutes ago, JungleJames said: £200. That it? So what you are admitting is the Gold license is actually good value, but you won't admit it as you have a new in your bonnet? The Gold licence might be good value, but it isn't if it's the wrong one for your usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 I want a Palladium licence or even better a Rhodium licence. I often dream of having a rhino horn licence but I would have to get a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungleJames Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, The Grey Goose said: Yep £200 this year and substantially more in future years , the rest of your comment makes no sense. It does. The cost is clearly good value. Only £200 more. But you are complaining, no doubt because you have a widebeam. We will ignore the fact you don't utilise it, as clearly that wasn't a problem before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, MtB said: I thin k the OP says early in the thread it was specifically to support CRT. But next year the extra cost will become too much. Well he could always become a friend and support them that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 6 hours ago, The Grey Goose said: Well we have been together for 6 long years but today my Decree Absolute came through and I am now with my new partner the EA. My new licence is nearly £200 cheaper for 2024 meaning that the CRT has just lost my nearly £1700.00 and subsequent years there after. Having never used CRT waters I was always happy to contribute from my widebeam on The Thames. Now many narrowboaters may yell good riddance but once us widebeams and other CC ers have gone they will come for the rest of you. Merry Xmas Richard Parry and a Prosperous New Year. What took you so long to make the move? I moved my widebeam off CRT waters and onto EA administered rivers about 13 years ago. Apart from anything else you instantly realise rivers are just better than the ditches. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, JungleJames said: It does. I think the other poster was referring to the words in your previous post 'have a new in your bonnet'. I imagine this means 'a bee'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, magnetman said: I think the other poster was referring to the words in your previous post 'have a new in your bonnet'. I imagine this means 'a bee'. Rivers and canals? Almost certainly a newt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 Thats a newt one for me. I'm not saying its bad - there's certainly newt wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearley Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 8 hours ago, magpie patrick said: I concur - if we want the canals to survive we're gonna have to pay for them The EA will come for their money eventually - they can't run navigation works on zero cash either. Yes. 3 years ago they tried to impose a badly thought out licence system based on area plus but the backlash caused them to back down and impose a 4%, 4%, 2% increase for the ensuing 3 years. So, they've confirmed that the increase for 2024 will be 2% even though inflation has far outstripped that. In my opinion better to increase fees by a sensible amount for the coming year and again for the next year rather than a swingeing amount for 2025. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 9 hours ago, The Grey Goose said: I've always been under the impression that without a valid licence or BSS your insurance is invalid. My insurance is silent in the subject of BSS and License I would be interested to see the relevant wording from your insurance documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 I've never come across anything in my 3rd party insurance policies and I do read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, magnetman said: I've never come across anything in my 3rd party insurance policies and I do read them. Nor have I, but I don't read them. I only buy insurance because it is mandatory to get a licence. I would self-insure otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 Same page on that. I hate unsurance and always will do until the day I am born again. After which time I will continue hating the principle until I die again. Ad infinitum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 minute ago, magnetman said: Same page on that. I hate unsurance and always will do until the day I am born again. After which time I will continue hating the principle until I die again. Ad infinitum. I have a sneaking suspicion about 80% of the premia we pay goes on administration, wages, bonuses, shareholder dividends etc. Only a tiny proportion of the premia are needed for actually paying out the claims. So self-insuring is always best if one can cope with the lumpy cashflow. I'm not convinced about the reincarnation though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 One wonders how many people ended up with huge bills for unsurance claims before 1995. I would say a new BMW could be useful if thats what you like. Seems a bit like a scam where you pay for other peoples incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted December 25, 2023 Report Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 minute ago, magnetman said: One wonders how many people ended up with huge bills for unsurance claims before 1995. I would say a new BMW could be useful if thats what you like. Are BMW making narrowboats now then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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