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The Rochdale closed again and again and again .....

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Eleventh closure this year could be a record? With the long term closure at Figure of three  and the Huddersfield not far behind the Rochdale it's not good ooop norf just now.

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1 minute ago, Midnight said:

Eleventh closure this year could be a record? With the long term closure at Figure of three  and the Huddersfield not far behind the Rochdale it's not good ooop norf just now.

But at least it hasn't run out of water this year 😀

 

Its easy to do the "its all lack of maintenance" thing, but looking at the various stoppages they are mostly just things that happen on a canal. The Rochdale has a LOT of locks and was a massive restoration, some of which was completed only by financial ingenuity after the money had run out. It also maybe has more than its fair share of culverts running under it. I suspect its not going to get better any time soon as a lot of locks have a wooden floor and it looks like these are getting to the end of their lives. I reckon its touch and go whether lock 9 (Hebden Bridge) makes it to the end of the year.

 

Without Shire Cruisers the Rochdale would only see a couple of boat movements each week so is not going to be top of the CRT maintenance budget.

 

............Dave

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Oh dear, I can’t possibly move then. 
Being a few locks above it, I’ll have to stay put. 
 

It doesn’t usually take CRT long to bodge up sink holes. 
I’ve seen them pour a cement mixture down until they see it seep out somewhere. 
Quick fix and forget about it until the lock collapses. 
 

I reported a sink hole at lock 1, Sowerby Bridge, winter before last. Big enough to climb/fall down and disappear. Got filled with cement and back filled with earth. 
 

 

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54 minutes ago, Midnight said:

Eleventh closure this year could be a record? With the long term closure at Figure of three  and the Huddersfield not far behind the Rochdale it's not good ooop norf just now.

i've not seen any closure on the Hudds this year that wasn't sorted same or next day, the ground team do a great job and have a local metal fabricator who knocks up the replacement paddles PDQ, other closures have been downed trees which again are sorted quickly once landowner permission is granted.

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16 hours ago, Goliath said:

Oh dear, I can’t possibly move then. 
Being a few locks above it, I’ll have to stay put. 
 

It doesn’t usually take CRT long to bodge up sink holes. 
I’ve seen them pour a cement mixture down until they see it seep out somewhere. 
Quick fix and forget about it until the lock collapses. 
 

I reported a sink hole at lock 1, Sowerby Bridge, winter before last. Big enough to climb/fall down and disappear. Got filled with cement and back filled with earth. 
 

 

Reminded me of a conversation I had years ago with a chap who lived opposite the canal road bridge at lock 47 in Littleborugh. He told me to be careful of getting grounded below the lock on an underwater obstruction. He said BW were pumping grout into the lock walls for days until the realised it was coming out of the bottom end under the waterline. Still makes me chuckle when I pass that way.

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23 hours ago, dmr said:

I suspect its not going to get better any time soon as a lot of locks have a wooden floor and it looks like these are getting to the end of their lives. I reckon its touch and go whether lock 9 (Hebden Bridge) makes it to the end of the year.

I am pretty sure the Rochdale locks have stone inverts, as shown in this Rochdale Canal Lock drawing from the Rochdale papers held in Greater Manchester Record Office. The foundations for the lower gates are wood, which is pretty standard canal engineering for the time, and such wooden floors can be found elsewhere. Stone/brick inverts were used widely from the 1790s, and it is earlier canals which have fully wooden lock floors. There are several on the L&LC, but even then they are not universal, and depended upon ground conditions. The second photo shows River Lock at Leeds. The wooden boarding does get disturbed by water flows from the upper paddles, and it is quite normal for this to be replaced routinely. It is fixed to wooden piles and beams, which are probably original, given the difficulty in replacing them.

Rochdale lock.jpg

River Lock Leeds.jpg

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I had hoped to get some photos of the repairs to lock 46 but was told that the fencing prevented access to get sight of the lock bottom. I chatted to a CRT bloke but he was a workboat mover rather than an actual lock fixer, he said it was wood at the ends but stone/brick in the middle which fits in with your lovely drawing. The repair was done very quickly  which again fits in with timber replacement as a routine operation.  Lock 9 (Hebden) is now leaking really badly at the bottom gates so might be another chance to get a look.

Where did you get these drawings? Are they publicly available or is it a private collection?

 

....................Dave

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The Rochdale drawing is in the Greater Manchester Record Office, who hold the Rochdale Canal records. It is a VERY extensive collection, with an almost complete run of business letters and minutes, though engineering details are often just simple reports. The collection is available for inspection, Covid permitting at the moment.

 

The Waterways Archive at Ellesmere Port also has a collection of old photos, with these two showing the complete reconstruction of Linnet Lock over 36 hours in 1881, from 9am on the 9th June, to 8pm on the 10th.

Linnet Lock 9AM 9-6-1881.jpg

Linnet Lock 8pm 10-6-1881.jpg

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