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Joel on the Hollinwood Branch of the Ashton Canal, date I think 1933. The last boat to come through to here from the main line. This canal suffered badly from mining subsidence, to the extent that it was found necessary to have a pile of ballast kept at Cinderland bridge (near this photo) to be loaded into empty boats to get them through the bridgehole.Apart from maintenence duties Joel was used to deliver coal to the lock keeper at Waterhouses(Daisy Nook) and elsewhere on the LNER canals.The pumping engine at Waterhouses was stopped permanently about this time and the canal became derelict soon after.

Joel was motorized in the late 1920's , I think this might be a later docking.Here is a picture of Joel's engine installation from 1930's. A Kelvin E2 petrol/paraffin engine rated at 9HP,this model later down rated to 7.5HP.Remarkable that this was found to be adequate for towing loaded ex horseboats around on maintenance duties. I think that this and the later replacement Joel of 1948 were the only "working" boats fitted with Kelvins from new/conversion. Unless anyone knows different?Note the engine shares the cabin space with the tea brewing facilities!

Here you go,Craftsman after docking at Gorton , possibly June 1950? The engine room porthole was a trademark of Gorton post WW2, Joel has similar, actually they were spectacle glass windows from scrapped GCR tank locos, liberated from the railway works. Apart from going astern in the pic, where was she going?

Surely 'Sailing By' is still played at close of service, around 00:45 ? Who remembers part of Handel's 'Water Music" played at the start of Sunday broadcasting of the BBC Home Service I think around 07:45? Possibly the rest of the week as well,but much earlier (06:00?) Dah de dah de dah,dah de dah de dah........ Listening with headphones on the crystal set I built using the iron bed frame as an aeriel, and not causing a noise nuisance. That came later with the home built guitar amps.😀

The boat nearest the bank is horseboat Maria,re-built Jinks' boatyard Marple in 1915 and again at Ashton Packet Boat Co in 1977 The nearer boat is ex Anderton Co. boat Medic , dismantled 1982 with drawings made to enable a future re-build. In the central arch of the warehouse can be seen the back end of Joel No9 built 1948, replacing the "old" Joel pictured up thread. Out of picture to the left is the boat Dove, sunk at this time but the following year(1972) completely wrecked when the warehouse was destroyed by fire. In the right hand arch behind the door is the front half of what was then known as the severner Ash, now shown to be the renamed Alder. A few years before this picture, the ex LMS tug Beeston had been brought in to replace Joel, this was a complete failure as the derelict canal proved too shallow and the tug could not move beyond the basin area. Finally, I should point out that these pictures were taken in Ashton-Under-Lyne in Lancashire, not Dukinfield in Cheshire which is across the River Tame aqueduct behind the photographer😀

My parents' house still has a working airing rack in the kitchen. The various odors that got in the clothes and towels is memorable, though not always pleasant. The stews, the bacon ( only on Sunday), the coal smoke from the open fire below (removed in the 70s), the vegetable peelings smouldering on the fire. The worst was the "lites" or cow's internal organs boiled for hours on the Revo electric cooker, thankfully not for human consumption but they kept the cat and dog happy and healthy for years

President became the motor maintenance boat on the Macclesfield and Upper Peak Forest Canals* possibly replacing the wooden motor Scotia which was then abandoned in Whatcroft Flash on the T&M. The later history of President is well known, but what of the other two? I have two photos of Craftsman leaving the Gorton Depot, the cabin side is in very shiny new painted condition. " British Waterways, North Western Division" in an unusual mix of styles. So, what became of Craftsman, went on maintenance somewhere, but where and what happened to her in the end? I have seen absolutely nothing of Wanderer after arriving at Gorton, I suspect she was in poor condition and broken up without any work being done. Again I have a photo of the boat at Fairfield Junction in George & Matthews livery on the way to Gorton, also a reference in a log book to her National engine written by the steerer making that potentially last trip. Has anyone got any more information? Bill * this information from "Adventures of the Nippy" by James Hewitt

I've got my large scale plan of the "Tank" to refer to now, it's 5ftx3ft and labels the purpose and size of every room and workshop in the railway works. The plan dates from 1950's in BR ownership . There is fair detail of the canal depot as well. Next to the dry dock is shown a pump house, I don't think this was for the dry dock as I remember reading that the steam pump was available 24/7 to supply loco water for the engine sheds and works. It would be canal water pumped via the reservoir and filter beds, south of the canal depot. There was also a gas works next to the depot for lighting and specialist heating though this had disappeared by the time and is not shown on the plan. There was a 3ton travelling crane for the depot , to the right of your yard picture.The small building next to the filter beds is a "petrol store" this may have been for canal maintenance plant and NB Joel which had a Kelvin petrol engine in the 1950's. The building on the corner of Ogden Lane and Cornwall St was the "enginemans' barracks" where visiting drivers and firemen could stay when in Manchester between "turns".This was the last remaining building of the works and was demolished about 12years ago.Houses are now on the site of the canal depot, curiously not built over the dry dock area. The towpath bridge in the above picture still exists. The Canal Depot opened in 1862 at the same time as the railway works and replaced a much older depot at Stockport Branch junction in Clayton, though this latter continued as a lock gate builders and stone mason's yard well into the C20th. The Depot closed in 1962 and the railway works finally closed in 1965.The site is now the New Smithfield vegetable market and Greater Manchester Police garage. Bill

It is President. One of 3 boats acquired from George & Matthews of Wolverhampton by BW in the early fifties. The other two were Wanderer and Craftsman, discussed here a couple of years ago. All three came to Gorton for re-furbishing. The Gorton "Tank" actually refers to the railway works which was across Cornwall St not the canal depot though both were in the ownership of the MS & LR , GCR and LNER. The whole of the works was actually in Openshaw, not Gorton! The staff at the canal depot were skilled wooden boat repairers not familiar with iron or steel boats, boiler smiths from the railway works were usually called on for riveting and such for the iron icebreakers etc. I have a press cutting from a local paper that shows President being painted and sign written at Gorton, dated IIRC 1955. Here is a link to another Gorton dock picture: http://collections.canalrivertrust.org.uk/bw192.3.1.31.1.11

These old Rustons are great engines, very reliable, plenty of power. They just lack the bling of a Kelvin or Gardner. The 2VSH will be fine in a narrowboat. The four is ,in my opinion,over the top . I bet it smokes a bit as it won't get up to proper operating temperature? I have used (and abused in the past), 2VTH and 3VRH , both now over 70years old and they run fine. Re-used head gaskets a few times, just be careful not to damage when removing.

But note that on RTT, steam hauled trains are recorded as diesel locomotive hauled without specifying a number or name. In the header will be something like "West Coast Railway Service" which is usually a good clue for a steam hauled. By watching the trains progress and updating RTT on your phone/tablet/PC, you can see to the minute or so when it's going to arrive at your location and see if it's running late or early. No comment here about the operation of WCR in the recent past.

A PPI would be very useful on your boat, particularly if going to sea. It's a Plan Position Indicator, the display system you get with those rotating radars often found on ships and airfields. One of those sets will cost a lot more than any of the PPIs under discussion here.Sorry if this has been mentioned up thread, it all got rather boring reading about insurance.

The two film stars were built 1972. A frigate and another destroyer were commissioned in 1974.

Correct. The destroyer has been stationed on the Ashton Canal for the last 35years helping to maintain peace in those far flung parts of the British Empire. There's a Pinder build number in the engine compartment. Interesting engine sound in the film clip, I think they had Thornycroft's marinised BMC 2.2 originally.

Hydraulic gear is still in the majority on our canal. Out of 72 paddle sets, only 6 gate paddles have reverted to "proper" type. Some new gates have had the old hydraulics re-fitted even though 40+ years old. About 75% of the gears are faulty in some way, i.e., they leak oil , drop on their own or just don't work. They are an abomination with no redeeming features. Very expensive to maintain as they have to be removed and sent to a specialist hydraulics repair shop, spares are difficult ( I think they were originally of Italian manufacture) . I have heard it said that they cannot be replaced by conventional because some locks are listed structures and the hydraulics were in place at the time of the listing. That might be just an excuse? The original paddle gear consisted of two ground paddles and two co-acting gate paddles at the head of the lock with no reduction gear and two gate paddles of large area with reduction gear on the tail gates . This on a narrow canal.