ID Wooden Boat?

[Laurence Hogg]

Claytons loads varied from very viscous material to very thin. In the case of the loads which were more solid they pumped steam into the load to warm it up lowering the viscosity. This was a relatively short process and would not imo been enough to make a difference to a plank. I have owned enough wooden boats to realize that loading is the main culprit of hogging, two dismantled Bolinders in the front of Keays "Judith Anne" for a couple of years did a lot of damage to that boat.

Back to "Umea", this photo was taken in 1972, just 6 years after working loads, it shows the conversion as it was, on a very straight hull.

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[archie57]

John Henderson was the Hillmorton Section carpenter at one time. Enjoy the rural background, the site of the radio masts will soon be covered by 6,000 houses!

[Ray T]

John Henderson was the Hillmorton Section carpenter at one time. Enjoy the rural background, the site of the radio masts will soon be covered by 6,000 houses!

 

And the rest:

 

primary schools, a secondary school, resturants, hotel et al.

 

http://radiostationvision.com/the-development/

 

http://www.planningportal.rugby.gov.uk/R11-0699/Original%20submission%202011/CD1%20Outline%20Planning%20Application/Formal%20Documentation/8%20Development%20Specification%20Report.pdf

[AMModels]

 

Claytons loads varied from very viscous material to very thin. In the case of the loads which were more solid they pumped steam into the load to warm it up lowering the viscosity. This was a relatively short process and would not imo been enough to make a difference to a plank. I have owned enough wooden boats to realize that loading is the main culprit of hogging, two dismantled Bolinders in the front of Keays "Judith Anne" for a couple of years did a lot of damage to that boat.

Back to "Umea", this photo was taken in 1972, just 6 years after working loads, it shows the conversion as it was, on a very straight hull.

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was that a Keays conversion Laurence? Its similar to Usks at the fore end.

[Laurence Hogg]

Andy, I don't think Keays did that, I was around the yard a lot and don't remember it. Possibly a Charity Dock job?

[Jrtm]

Apart from the start of a hog around the first 2 rear windows of the convertion.

Anyways i hope she keeps going and gets looked after well.

[AMModels]

Andy, I don't think Keays did that, I was around the yard a lot and don't remember it. Possibly a Charity Dock job?

 

Its an elegant solution to the upsweep at the fore end the way the cabin top line shallows out, not surprising to see it come from a number of yards given the experience and 'eye' they must have possessed after building so many boats.

 

 

You can see it in this pic of Usk.

 

photo credit to Jack Haddock and clickintime website.

[MtB]

 

Claytons loads varied from very viscous material to very thin. In the case of the loads which were more solid they pumped steam into the load to warm it up lowering the viscosity. This was a relatively short process and would not imo been enough to make a difference to a plank. I have owned enough wooden boats to realize that loading is the main culprit of hogging, two dismantled Bolinders in the front of Keays "Judith Anne" for a couple of years did a lot of damage to that boat.

Back to "Umea", this photo was taken in 1972, just 6 years after working loads, it shows the conversion as it was, on a very straight hull.

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Interesting pic Lorry.

 

I see there is still a visible gap at the forward end of the swim where the uxter emerges from under the waterline. Were they built like that is or this the beginning of the hogging?

 

Riveted iron motors never exhibit this feature AFAIK, because the uxter rises at the stern. Were wooden motors built to a less sophisticated shape where the uxter is constructed straight in line with the sides of the hold?

 

It strikes me that 75 years of the weight of a massive solid wood counter block hanging in fresh air at the very back is highly likely to be the root cause of the hogging most wooden motors exhibit.

 

(Edit out some extraneous worms.)

Edited August 17, 2016 by Mike the Boilerman

[Laurence Hogg]

 

Its an elegant solution to the upsweep at the fore end the way the cabin top line shallows out, not surprising to see it come from a number of yards given the experience and 'eye' they must have possessed after building so many boats.

 

usk jh.jpg

 

You can see it in this pic of Usk.

 

photo credit to Jack Haddock and clickintime website.

 

Such a shame that the two wooden boats and the person on the towpath (Selwyn Jordan) are now just part of history.

[stagedamager]

I would have thought it was due to running light. Once loaded the uxter would sit level and in the water. Maybe they had a slightly longer swim than an iron/steel boat to be able to bend the plank round??

Dan

[Jrtm]

It sat under the water there is good pics in the claytons book most ran with just 1 plank above the water

But looking at most wooden motors there all very sim positions of the uxter

[Laurence Hogg]

 

 

Interesting pic Lorry.

 

I see there is still a visible gap at the forward end of the swim where the uxter emerges from under the waterline. Were they built like that is or this the beginning of the hogging?

 

Riveted iron motors never exhibit this feature AFAIK, because the uxter rises at the stern. Were wooden motors built to a less sophisticated shape where the uxter is constructed straight in line with the sides of the hold?

 

 

(Edit out some extraneous worms.)

 

That's fairly normal for Uxbridge built wooden motors. Most wooden motors had some double plane curvature under the counter, indeed some were converted horse boats (like "Sweden") and the shape is graceful. Once the prop bites the counter loses the gap. The trouble with many conversions were the owner removed the stability of the cross beams and chains so giving the hull less stability. Our converted Ricky "Neptune" had welded steel frame bulkead frames bolted through the hull sides where the cross beams had been, she remained very straight. I am afraid no one knows her whereabouts or fate but this is her on the Severn in the 1980's.

 

[AMModels]

 

Such a shame that the two wooden boats and the person on the towpath (Selwyn Jordan) are now just part of history.

 

Couldnt agree more, loved both of those boats and Selwyn was a lovely guy, cheerful even when called out late at night to pull Usk off a lump under Bloxwich road bridge with his old Escort van.

[Jrtm]

Very low at the back

[Laurence Hogg]

Very low at the back

 

Thats exactly how it should be. When loaded "Barnet's" counter was 2" into the water when still. Dont forget he has around 25 tons of gas tar in the holds.

[Laurence Hogg]

This picture shows the sweep up of the counter on "Neptune" alongside the small Woolwich "Princess Anne" (ex "Plato"). "Neptune" was one of the first GU motors buit by Walkers, later ones were not so upswept. BW boat is "Zodiac B10" actually "Tucana" as recently restored.

 

Edited August 17, 2016 by Laurence Hogg

[AMModels]

Had PA still got that cabin forward of her extended back cabin in that shot Laurence? Only seen one other shot of it but it was very grainy and it was a while ago. Thats a great shot showing the subtle and not so subtle differences between the builds,

[Laurence Hogg]

Had PA still got that cabin forward of her extended back cabin in that shot Laurence? Only seen one other shot of it but it was very grainy and it was a while ago. Thats a great shot showing the subtle and not so subtle differences between the builds,

 

Yes she still had the separate conversion cabin on at that time, she was then owned by my late friend Ed Greenwood. The two pictures below are from 1972 and show her on the uni moorings in Bham, Ed acquired her shortly afterwards If you wish to use these please credit me.

 

 

[AMModels]

 

Yes she still had the separate conversion cabin on at that time, she was then owned by my late friend Ed Greenwood. The two pictures below are from 1972 and show her on the uni moorings in Bham, Ed acquired her shortly afterwards If you wish to use these please credit me.

 

 

Thanks so much for posting them and the permission, they are fascinating. Much as I love PA that conversion was hideous, although it did preserve the rear cabin for posterity.

[Ray T]

Not a wooden boat, but I took our boat out this afternoon for a visit to the Boat Inn at Birdingbury Wharf, it needed a pint!

 

Whilst there a large Woolwich in Willow Wren colours went past heading towards the WFBCo at Stockton, it had no name or writing on it. I was not in a position to ask of the boats name. It wasn't Widgeon.

 

Wasn't able to take a photo either.

 

Anyone any ideas please?

Edited August 18, 2016 by Ray T

[IanM]

Not a wooden boat, but I took our boat out this afternoon for a visit to the Boat Inn at Birdingbury Wharf, it needed a pint!

 

Whilst there a large Woolwich in Willow Wren colours went past heading towards the WFBCo at Stockton, it had no name or writing on it. I was not in a position to ask of the boats name. It wasn't Widgeon.

 

Wasn't able to take a photo either.

 

Anyone any ideas please?

 

Stratford? The middle one in this picture.

 

Crux, Stratford, Replica butty Siskin by Ian, on Flickr

 

My picture was taken at Stockton so it probably was the same one.

 

Edited to add better picture from a few years back.

 

Stratford - Braunston Historic Boat Rally 2011 by Ian, on Flickr

Edited August 18, 2016 by IanM

[Ray T]

Thanks Ian most probably was her / it.

[pete harrison]

Thomas Clayton (Oldbury) Ltd. records indicate that UMEA was sold to John Henderson in 1966.

 

UMEA in August 1967 in the process of having its deck removed.

Photograph from Bert Dunkley collection held by C. & R.T. Archive.

 

[Jrtm]

Shame looks nice like that

[alan_fincher]

Stratford? The middle one in this picture.

I can't think of any other candidate Willow Wren liveried GUCCCo motors.

 

And Stratford is certainly based there.