Boat Prices am i missing something ?

[brassedoff]

Snidy Behavour !

 

fiddlers wharf comes to mind.

[Mrs Trackman]

Why would someone buy this 2001 boat for £58000 when you can get a new 50ft boat built for £63350 from Aintreehttp://www.venetianmarina.co.uk/used-narrowboats/details/3368.aspx

 

 

 

I agree with you. Why would anyone pay so much for a 14 year old boat. I would pay for a good shell but with any pre owned boat you don't know how the boat has been treated. Cosmetically it may look good but has the engine been serviced regularly? Has the boat actually been used?

Higher spec in what way? Some spend a huge amount on granite worktops or whatever but they might not be to my taste. Just because someone has spent a fortune on the fit out doesn't mean the boat is worth that much more. Beware the floating cottage.

I agree with those who say have a good look. Hopefully you will get a feel but there is depressing stuff for sale. Just look around at boat shapes, they vary hugely and that does matter, you want one that swims well.

Hope we haven't all overwhelmed you with information.

[MtB]

We are going for a new Narrowboat, i dont understand why some of the prices seem rediculous, what i mean is why am i seeing Narrowboats built in around 2006 advertized for £57000 when you can go out and buy a boat of the same size brand new for £63500,

 

i dont see the point in buying a boat nearly 8-9 years older with wear and tear and run the risk of dodgy maintanance for the sake of a few k more.

 

i wonder if boat owners/Brokers are trying it on and having a bubble bath.

 

it just does not add up to me.

 

 

I would much prefer to pay £63.5k for a boat built in 1935 than for a boat built in 2015.

[The Lockie]

I would much prefer to pay £63.5k for a boat built in 1935 than for a boat built in 2015.

So nice of you to confuse the poor sod even more!!

 

I agree wholeheartedly though;-) ;-)

[brassedoff]

 

 

^{I would much prefer to pay £63.5k for a boat built in 1935 than for a boat built in 2015.}

 

To be honest i prefer the look of the old working boats, especially the tug style's, but my dads buying it not me.

 

Its not about newness/poshness or keeping up with the jonese's i am down to earth as they come, its just about avoiding being shafted with a lemon of a boat that needs a boat load of work doing and the previous owners dumped it before it all came apparent.

 

thats why we want a new boat, cant fault ya Boilerman old boats have character.

Edited July 22, 2015 by brassedoff

[magnetman]

If i were looking to spend good money on a narrow boat I would look for a 1990s well looked after boat by a proper builder like Allen's of Oldbury or Norton Canes, Paul Barber, GM engineering, Doug Moore, that sort of thing. Properly made pleasant looking modern narrow boats.

 

I like old boats but prefer they belong to someone else I don't like new boats but there is middle ground to be found.

 

My barge was built in 1997 by a Yorkshire boat builder so it looks older than it is (scruffy) but its not an old wreck (yet)

I'm sure others can add to the 1990s quality boat builders list

[Guest]

To be honest i prefer the look of the old working boats, especially the tug style's, but my dads buying it not me.

 

Its not about newness/poshness or keeping up with the jonese's i am down to earth as they come, its just about avoiding being shafted with a lemon of a boat that needs a boat load:unsure: of work doing and the previous owners dumped it before it all came apparent.

 

thats why we want a new boat, cant fault ya Boilerman old boats have character.

Buying a new boat is not exactly problem free. Plenty of people have lost money during a boat build when their builder has gone belly up during the build.

[Tonka]

Dave Harris but unlike the others he always builds quality not just in the 90's

[magnetman]

Yes meant to mention him and I only put in the 1990s as a general guide. CTS/Dennis Cooper another good one for an older boat

Edited July 22, 2015 by magnetman

[brassedoff]

I agree with you. Why would anyone pay so much for a 14 year old boat. I would pay for a good shell but with any pre owned boat you don't know how the boat has been treated. Cosmetically it may look good but has the engine been serviced regularly? Has the boat actually been used?

Higher spec in what way? Some spend a huge amount on granite worktops or whatever but they might not be to my taste. Just because someone has spent a fortune on the fit out doesn't mean the boat is worth that much more. Beware the floating cottage.

I agree with those who say have a good look. Hopefully you will get a feel but there is depressing stuff for sale. Just look around at boat shapes, they vary hugely and that does matter, you want one that swims well.

Hope we haven't all overwhelmed you with information.

 

Thanks Mrs Trackman,

 

Yes i have seen the floating cottages with the gordy flowery curtains and matching footwear, some look funny to be honest and me and my dad have said (what the hell) so many times, not everyone wants blue work tops or weird patterned marble ones.

 

i know its all about taste, but you mentioning a boat swimming well has made me think i have no clue about any of that stuff.

 

I am qualified Mechanic and Paint Refinisher, but that does not mean i know anything about boats i have no clue what so ever, this is why i joined this site to learn from people who know stuff, plus i love a good down to earth laugh with decent folk, thats what i am hoping to find living on a boat (proper nice folk) not stuck up tossers who live in the rat race.

 

thanks everyone for helping me in this thread, hope to learn stuff and have a few giggles with you all.

[Felshampo]

Current boat for sale for £125000 that cost £150000 hardly used because the owners dogs couldn't get on board. Unlikely to sell for more than £110000 . If the boat suits it could be a bargain. Needs to fit your criteria exactly if you are to fork out that sort of money IMO.

Same with old boats lots of great features can be found but if you don't likegranny decour it's not going to suit. Some owners have unrealistic ideas of he value of their boat and so that can lead to some of these inflated valuations. Keep an eye on them and see how long they take to go. As has been said if your boat is tatty but sound it could be hard to sell but lack of care for the cosmetic aspects of the boat are probably also reflected in the state and condition of the engine. If an owner couldn't be bothered to look after the engine room then the engine has probably been neglected as well. Buyer beware!

[Locksprite]

The best only thing you cannot change on a boat is the hull!! Pre 95 steel from the UK or western Europe much better then the imported crap from eastern Europe or even worse China!!

 

If you are going the new route get proof from the builder that the steel is marine grade and find out where its from.

 

The quality of steel these days is generally crap too many Skoda's and washing machines in the stuff!!

Quite a few of my mother's family were engineers, and they swore steel after WW2 wasn't a patch on the stuff available prior to it as it was full of old military hardware. Apparently the older generation claimed the same of steel available after WW1. Most steel is subject to standard international grades and a few extra mm is worth a inch of anecdote.

[brassedoff]

Buying a new boat is not exactly problem free. Plenty of people have lost money during a boat build when their builder has gone belly up during the build.

 

Agree MJG, but if no one took the risk then their would be no boats in the future, i gotta say though i would never buy from abroad (no disrespect to any country) i would rather bob down to a yard and see the guys once a month and take some photo's.

 

I could see it now, how far have you got with the boat ' well me dogs died, and me grans ill so ive not touched started it yet ' LOL

[Felshampo]

plus i love a good down to earth laugh with decent folk, thats what i am hoping to find living on a boat (proper nice folk) not stuck up tossers who live in the rat race .

Good luck with that!

[MtB]

Quite a few of my mother's family were engineers, and they swore steel after WW2 wasn't a patch on the stuff available prior to it as it was full of old military hardware. Apparently the older generation claimed the same of steel available after WW1. Most steel is subject to standard international grades and a few extra mm is worth a inch of anecdote.

 

 

I remember fabricators in the 1970s saying the same about contemporary steel. Then 1990s fabricators harked back to the good ol' days in the 70s when steel was real, not the rubbish of the 90s! Now guess what? People rubbish the current steel saying it isn't what it was 20 years ago...

 

plus ça change...

[brassedoff]

Current boat for sale for £125000 that cost £150000 hardly used because the owners dogs couldn't get on board. Unlikely to sell for more than £110000 . If the boat suits it could be a bargain. Needs to fit your criteria exactly if you are to fork out that sort of money IMO.

Same with old boats lots of great features can be found but if you don't likegranny decour it's not going to suit. Some owners have unrealistic ideas of he value of their boat and so that can lead to some of these inflated valuations. Keep an eye on them and see how long they take to go. As has been said if your boat is tatty but sound it could be hard to sell but lack of care for the cosmetic aspects of the boat are probably also reflected in the state and condition of the engine. If an owner couldn't be bothered to look after the engine room then the engine has probably been neglected as well. Buyer beware!

 

Totally out of our league that price, i tend to look at the engine bilge first if its all rusty and scabby i just move on to the next boat on Appollo, that kinda thing tells a story it does not take much to paint that area.

 

Their are some lovely Boats out their though, if it was down to me i would go for a traditional engine room with a Gardner Engine, proper character and they look stunningly beutifull.

Good luck with that

 

 

That sounds ominus LOL, thanks for filling me with hope.

Edited July 22, 2015 by brassedoff

[Locksprite]

 

 

I remember fabricators in the 1970s saying the same about contemporary steel. Then 1990s fabricators harked back to the good ol' days in the 70s when steel was real, not the rubbish of the 90s! Now guess what? People rubbish the current steel saying it isn't what it was 20 years ago...

 

plus ça change...

If steel has to be recycled, I hope it contains stuff like my Skoda rather than my old Vauxhall, Nissan, Rover, Mini, etc. After 11 years it's in better nick that they were after two!

[MtB]

 

Totally out of our league that price, i tend to look at the engine bilge first if its all rusty and scabby i just move on to the next boat on Appollo, that kinda thing tells a story it does not take much to paint that area.

 

 

Thus speaks a person who has never prepared and painted an engine bilge!

[Phil Ambrose]

Doesn't take long does it?

Phil

[MtB]

 

thanks mike i have deleted what i can, what a bloody start to a new forum. my own doing so sorry everyone.

 

Don't be daft. Nothing left of it to read. And you are very welcome here.

 

But I'll be cross if you don't carry on posting, ok!!

[Locksprite]

I missed the fun. The internet is a new medium of communication that challenges thousands of years of face to face interaction, it's small wonder we get it wrong. I've been guilty of rudeness, cynicism and borderline slander/libel on occasion, simply for forgetting a public forum does not consist of a few p*** taking mates down the pub. It would be sad if people who actively play on fear of giving offence were allowed to dominate web forums.

 

Whatever was said, if it was in response to anything I wrote I wouldn't worry about it.

Edited July 22, 2015 by Locksprite

[brassedoff]

 

Don't be daft. Nothing left of it to read. And you are very welcome here.

 

But I'll be cross if you don't carry on posting, ok!!

 

thanks Mike, been a silly sosidge tonight.

 

night night all, i hope tomorow is a better day.

Edited July 22, 2015 by brassedoff

[zenataomm]

Hey Geezer ......

 

It's brave of you to be straight about your condition. There are many here who tread the same path, and I'm happy to say I too am Bi-polar, diagnosed in 1999.

I can assure you Boilerman was not insulting you, don't forget in communication you rely on body language first, tone of voice second and lastly the words used. In the written word the first two aren't there only the words, so it's easier to get it wrong than right. Sorry to tell you you put the meaning in what he said.

 

You've not burnt any bridges, you're interest and questions have to date been relevant and probably what many others wish they had the courage to put in writing.

 

Stay safe

[BruceinSanity]

thanks Mike, been a silly sosidge tonight.

 

night night all, i hope tomorow is a better day.

Don't worry about it, I got a right hand bagging the first time I posted here. You can report your own post to the mods and ask them to tidy up the thread, they can take all those deleted posts out altogether. Just clicktap the Report option in the bottom right of any post.

[Dave Clinton]

 

I was not joking some boats do look like tramps bedrooms LOL

 

i saw one with a creased mattress and it had gravy stains in the middle. dirty buggers !

 

 

Their really are some lovely boats out their Paul at good prices, it would be nice to buy a decent second hand one but its just scary when were talking thousands.

 

what i have noticed though the lovely boats just pop out at ya on the internet some are absolutely stunning and a credit to the owners.

Willing to spend £40k on a boat but not buy a new mattress?