alan_fincher Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 The fold up ones take up little room an it resides with the gas bottles when not needed. But not on the day your BSS examiner calls, presumably ? Other than elaborate arrangements that I have seen that store it in dedicated cut-outs in the cabin structure, I tend to agree that many seem to have enough space for even one moderate sized Danforth anchor. Ours sits in the front well deck, but given how rarely we are on rivers, it's a pain, frankly. I'm in the "got one, don't know if it's heavy enough, don't know if the chain is big/long enough, (ditto for line!) and (particularly), is there anything strong enough to fasten to" category, if I'm honest. I'm rather hoping I don't need to, until I know more than I currently do - I have this vision of saying goodbye to my anchor, along with a detached T-stud or dolly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blodger Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 But not on the day your BSS examiner calls, presumably ? Other than elaborate arrangements that I have seen that store it in dedicated cut-outs in the cabin structure, I tend to agree that many seem to have enough space for even one moderate sized Danforth anchor. Ours sits in the front well deck, but given how rarely we are on rivers, it's a pain, frankly. I'm in the "got one, don't know if it's heavy enough, don't know if the chain is big/long enough, (ditto for line!) and (particularly), is there anything strong enough to fasten to" category, if I'm honest. I'm rather hoping I don't need to, until I know more than I currently do - I have this vision of saying goodbye to my anchor, along with a detached T-stud or dolly! I do not know many boaters who forego using the bow/gas locker for more than the gas bottles. I presume the requisite BSS emptiness allows for the uninterupted outflow of gas should it escape and less chance of spark ignition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHutch Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 There was a Narrowboat moored in the marina down the Atherstone flight fitted with an anchor winch.We have an anchor winch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalesman Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 you should always anchor with a line at least five times the depth of water and pay the line out slowly, catching a turn on the T stud ( mind your fingers..!!) to slow it down and help the anchor bed in.Always use an anchor and chain plus nylon rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalesman Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Has anyone on here had to deploy an anchor in an emergency? Whenever anchors are discussed on canal forums it all seems to be theory. Has anyone any real first-hand experience? Phil Have anchored many many times at sea and on rivers but not in an emergency..!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luctor et emergo Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Is there an 'anchor rental' service? I'll be needing an anchor for two days when I move the boat to the K&A, via the Thames... looks like an expensive purchase, which will only add weight and take up room afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keeping Up Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 you should always anchor with a line at least five times the depth of water Or turn it the other way around, and never try to anchor in water that is more than 5 times as deep as your anchor line is long - as the Severn pilot said to me - after all, ships don't try to carry an line that is 5 times as long as the depth of the Ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luctor et emergo Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Or turn it the other way around, and never try to anchor in water that is more than 5 times as deep as your anchor line is long - as the Severn pilot said to me - after all, ships don't try to carry an line that is 5 times as long as the depth of the Ocean. To be fair, that is exactly what Dalesman is explaining. It's not as if he is suggesting that one should carry enough line to anchor off at the Mariana's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 you should always anchor with a line at least five times the depth of water and pay the line out slowly, catching a turn on the T stud ( mind your fingers..!!) to slow it down and help the anchor bed in.Always use an anchor and chain plus nylon rope. That depends on your set up. Ours is all chain, all 40m of the stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalesman Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 That depends on your set up. Ours is all chain, all 40m of the stuff Bet you have a chain locker and a winch too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace and Favour Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 To be fair, that is exactly what Dalesman is explaining. It's not as if he is suggesting that one should carry enough line to anchor off at the Mariana's... Who's Mariana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 (edited) Who's Mariana? WITH blackest moss the flower-plots Were thickly crusted, one and all: The rusted nails fell from the knots That held the pear to the gable-wall. The broken sheds look'd sad and strange: Unlifted was the clinking latch; Weeded and worn the ancient thatch Upon the lonely moated grange. She only said, 'My life is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' Her tears fell with the dews at even; Her tears fell ere the dews were dried; She could not look on the sweet heaven, Either at morn or eventide. After the flitting of the bats, When thickest dark did trance the sky, She drew her casement-curtain by, And glanced athwart the glooming flats. She only said, 'The night is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' Upon the middle of the night, Waking she heard the night-fowl crow: The cock sung out an hour ere light: From the dark fen the oxen's low Came to her: without hope of change, In sleep she seem'd to walk forlorn, Till cold winds woke the gray-eyed morn About the lonely moated grange. She only said, 'The day is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' About a stone-cast from the wall A sluice with blacken'd waters slept, And o'er it many, round and small, The cluster'd marish-mosses crept. Hard by a poplar shook alway, All silver-green with gnarled bark: For leagues no other tree did mark The level waste, the rounding gray. She only said, 'My life is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' And ever when the moon was low, And the shrill winds were up and away, In the white curtain, to and fro, She saw the gusty shadow sway. But when the moon was very low, And wild winds bound within their cell, The shadow of the poplar fell Upon her bed, across her brow. She only said, 'The night is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' All day within the dreamy house, The doors upon their hinges creak'd; The blue fly sung in the pane; the mouse Behind the mouldering wainscot shriek'd, Or from the crevice peer'd about. Old faces glimmer'd thro' the doors, Old footsteps trod the upper floors, Old voices call'd her from without. She only said, 'My life is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary,' I would that I were dead!' The sparrow's chirrup on the roof, The slow clock ticking, and the sound Which to the wooing wind aloof The poplar made, did all confound Her sense; but most she loathed the hour When the thick-moted sunbeam lay Athwart the chambers, and the day Was sloping toward his western bower. Then, said she, 'I am very dreary, He will not come,' she said; She wept, 'I am aweary, aweary, O God, that I were dead!' WITH blackest moss the flower-plots Were thickly crusted, one and all: The rusted nails fell from the knots That held the pear to the gable-wall. The broken sheds look'd sad and strange: Unlifted was the clinking latch; Weeded and worn the ancient thatch Upon the lonely moated grange. She only said, 'My life is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' Her tears fell with the dews at even; Her tears fell ere the dews were dried; She could not look on the sweet heaven, Either at morn or eventide. After the flitting of the bats, When thickest dark did trance the sky, She drew her casement-curtain by, And glanced athwart the glooming flats. She only said, 'The night is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' Upon the middle of the night, Waking she heard the night-fowl crow: The cock sung out an hour ere light: From the dark fen the oxen's low Came to her: without hope of change, In sleep she seem'd to walk forlorn, Till cold winds woke the gray-eyed morn About the lonely moated grange. She only said, 'The day is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' About a stone-cast from the wall A sluice with blacken'd waters slept, And o'er it many, round and small, The cluster'd marish-mosses crept. Hard by a poplar shook alway, All silver-green with gnarled bark: For leagues no other tree did mark The level waste, the rounding gray. She only said, 'My life is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' And ever when the moon was low, And the shrill winds were up and away, In the white curtain, to and fro, She saw the gusty shadow sway. But when the moon was very low, And wild winds bound within their cell, The shadow of the poplar fell Upon her bed, across her brow. She only said, 'The night is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' All day within the dreamy house, The doors upon their hinges creak'd; The blue fly sung in the pane; the mouse Behind the mouldering wainscot shriek'd, Or from the crevice peer'd about. Old faces glimmer'd thro' the doors, Old footsteps trod the upper floors, Old voices call'd her from without. She only said, 'My life is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary,' I would that I were dead!' The sparrow's chirrup on the roof, The slow clock ticking, and the sound Which to the wooing wind aloof The poplar made, did all confound Her sense; but most she loathed the hour When the thick-moted sunbeam lay Athwart the chambers, and the day Was sloping toward his western bower. Then, said she, 'I am very dreary, He will not come,' she said; She wept, 'I am aweary, aweary, O God, that I were dead!' WITH blackest moss the flower-plots Were thickly crusted, one and all: The rusted nails fell from the knots That held the pear to the gable-wall. The broken sheds look'd sad and strange: Unlifted was the clinking latch; Weeded and worn the ancient thatch Upon the lonely moated grange. She only said, 'My life is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' Her tears fell with the dews at even; Her tears fell ere the dews were dried; She could not look on the sweet heaven, Either at morn or eventide. After the flitting of the bats, When thickest dark did trance the sky, She drew her casement-curtain by, And glanced athwart the glooming flats. She only said, 'The night is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' Upon the middle of the night, Waking she heard the night-fowl crow: The cock sung out an hour ere light: From the dark fen the oxen's low Came to her: without hope of change, In sleep she seem'd to walk forlorn, Till cold winds woke the gray-eyed morn About the lonely moated grange. She only said, 'The day is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' About a stone-cast from the wall A sluice with blacken'd waters slept, And o'er it many, round and small, The cluster'd marish-mosses crept. Hard by a poplar shook alway, All silver-green with gnarled bark: For leagues no other tree did mark The level waste, the rounding gray. She only said, 'My life is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' And ever when the moon was low, And the shrill winds were up and away, In the white curtain, to and fro, She saw the gusty shadow sway. But when the moon was very low, And wild winds bound within their cell, The shadow of the poplar fell Upon her bed, across her brow. She only said, 'The night is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary, I would that I were dead!' All day within the dreamy house, The doors upon their hinges creak'd; The blue fly sung in the pane; the mouse Behind the mouldering wainscot shriek'd, Or from the crevice peer'd about. Old faces glimmer'd thro' the doors, Old footsteps trod the upper floors, Old voices call'd her from without. She only said, 'My life is dreary, He cometh not,' she said; She said, 'I am aweary, aweary,' I would that I were dead!' The sparrow's chirrup on the roof, The slow clock ticking, and the sound Which to the wooing wind aloof The poplar made, did all confound Her sense; but most she loathed the hour When the thick-moted sunbeam lay Athwart the chambers, and the day Was sloping toward his western bower. Then, said she, 'I am very dreary, He will not come,' she said; She wept, 'I am aweary, aweary, O God, that I were dead!' Alfred Lord Tennyson (Not the happiest of souls) Edited March 3, 2010 by WotEver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb Innisfree Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Still don't know who Mariana is. Or is that the Mariana Trench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Bet you have a chain locker and a winch too Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalesman Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Yep All electric from the helm position too I'll bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 All electric from the helm position too I'll bet. Yep, you have a choice there. All electric from either set of controls, one set at the helm and one set at the bow. No need to make it any harder than necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryvanman Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 OK then ,,,,what size Anchor do I need to get for a 58 foot narrowboat what type and more importantly,,,where is the best place to buy it,,,please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHutch Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Piece, string, how, long? Honestly - What weight is the boat? - Where will you be boating? - What is the depth there? - What speed is the water flowing? - What the bottom like? - What rope/chain will you using? - What deployment methods are you planning? - What are you actually going to be using it for? Im mean, a short answer would be that a 25kg folding anchor, with 40ft of chain and 100ft of rope, for emergency use only, would probably do for most places your likely to go. However it wont do everything, and on the canal, it would be overkill. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryvanman Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Piece, string, how, long? Honestly - What weight is the boat............................................dunno - Where will you be boating?.......................................Thames from Brentford upstream - What is the depth there? ..........................................dunno - What speed is the water flowing?...............................fast with floods and slow with drought [both ways at different times of the day] - What the bottom like? .............................................bit like the wife's [like a map of the Sahara desert] - What rope/chain will you using? ...............................silver chain with black silk rope - What deployment methods are you planning? ......... chuck it over the side/front - What are you actually going to be using it for?......... originally,,,playing conkers Im mean, a short answer would be that a 25kg folding anchor, with 40ft of chain and 100ft of rope, for emergency use only, would probably do for most places your likely to go. However it wont do everything, and on the canal, it would be overkill. Daniel sorry,,,I'm jet lagged and cant sleep,,,,thanks anywhy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luctor et emergo Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Apart from the need to have an anchor that will keep your boat secured if you more on the river, is their a minimum standard of anchor that you need to go on the Thames, or is it enough if you have 'any' anchor? Reason I ask, is that i will only be needing to go on the Thames to get from the Oxford to the K&A (hpefuly), and don't particulary want to spend a small fortune on an anchor and chain that I will never need (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickleback Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 But not on the day your BSS examiner calls, presumably ? Other than elaborate arrangements that I have seen that store it in dedicated cut-outs in the cabin structure, I tend to agree that many seem to have enough space for even one moderate sized Danforth anchor. Ours sits in the front well deck, but given how rarely we are on rivers, it's a pain, frankly. I'm in the "got one, don't know if it's heavy enough, don't know if the chain is big/long enough, (ditto for line!) and (particularly), is there anything strong enough to fasten to" category, if I'm honest. I'm rather hoping I don't need to, until I know more than I currently do - I have this vision of saying goodbye to my anchor, along with a detached T-stud or dolly! I'm in the same position! Got the anchor / chain / rope in the locker at the back of the boat - but don't want to use it in case I lose my T-stud! Hence - haven't yet been on a river. Which is a shame as I'd really love to go from Brentford to Lechlade, back to Oxford and up the Oxford canal. Stickleback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHutch Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 ... is their a minimum standard of anchor that you need to go on the Thames, or is it enough if you have 'any' anchor?... When we went on last time nothing was said about it all, although or 25k anchor and chainwinch could be seen on the deck. I think if you turned up with a £8 0.7kg grapnel type on the end of some 6mm polyprop you would have a hard time convincing anyone you where taking anything seriously at all. But if you had a 18kg Danforth type rather than a 25 or 50kg of same i cant see them turning you away. Why not ring them and ask there advice? Post it up here afterwards. Having a quick rummage online although you can easy pay £150, 250, 300 for one. There are plenty of places making the for £50. http://www.securefixdirect.com/cruisingdan...nchors-44-c.asp Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Or turn it the other way around, and never try to anchor in water that is more than 5 times as deep as your anchor line is long - as the Severn pilot said to me - after all, ships don't try to carry an line that is 5 times as long as the depth of the Ocean. Boats at sea can use sea anchors, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_anchor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalesman Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 We are going to be on rivers for the first time in this boat. The anchor we had went with the last boat. What type/size of anchor will we need (42ft Narrowboat)?How long a length/what size of sinking chain? A 20 kg danforth with 10 meters of chain and about 100ft of nylon rope should do you fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Orentas Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 We are going to be on rivers for the first time in this boat. The anchor we had went with the last boat. What type/size of anchor will we need (42ft Narrowboat)?How long a length/what size of sinking chain? By far the most important criteria is to get one that can be readily handled by yourself or your crew, no point in having, the best anchor in the world if you can't lift it.. When I first went on the Manchester Ship Canal they sent me a formula for anchors sizes, the result of the calculation for a 50ft boat was in the region of 200 kilo's, totally impractical, although from their point of view a 50ft boat is quite a substantial craft. A good weight of chain is of equal importance and the rope should be about 4 times the maximum anticipated maximum depth of water.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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