Athy Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 When our new boat was being built three years ago my wife and i looked through a copy of Paget Tomlinson's Colours Of The Cut book to seek inspiration. We settled on an approximation of the Chance & Hunt livery, which was duly applied by boat painter Robert Naghi from Nottingham. he told us that the base colour was "Mason's deep violet". Now the paintwork needs a bit of attention and the spare paint which Robert gave us in a pickle jar (he's an informal sort of chap) is almost used up. I've looked for stockists of Mason's, which I thought was a popular brand, but have een told that the paint is discontinued. Is this true and, if so, does anyone know where there may still be stocks - especially of deep violet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Muck Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 (edited) When our new boat was being built three years ago my wife and i looked through a copy of Paget Tomlinson's Colours Of The Cut book to seek inspiration. We settled on an approximation of the Chance & Hunt livery, which was duly applied by boat painter Robert Naghi from Nottingham. he told us that the base colour was "Mason's deep violet". Now the paintwork needs a bit of attention and the spare paint which Robert gave us in a pickle jar (he's an informal sort of chap) is almost used up. I've looked for stockists of Mason's, which I thought was a popular brand, but have een told that the paint is discontinued. Is this true and, if so, does anyone know where there may still be stocks - especially of deep violet? Our boat is pained in Masons - I bought some last year from:- Classic Coatings Unit D3 Hathernware Ind. Est. Rempstone Road Normanton on Soar Loughborough LE12 5EW I don't have the number in my notebook, but I'm sure if you call directory enquiries .... Edited November 20, 2008 by Lady Muck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddingtonBear Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Phil will mix it up no problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I think you can only buy Masons if you roll up one trouser leg, and know how to do a funny hand-shake. (Coat !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denboy Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 If memory serves me right they stopped selling to joe public a few years back but i believe you can still get it through a stockist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koukouvagia Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I think you can only buy Masons if you roll up one trouser leg, and know how to do a funny hand-shake. (Coat !) Huh, you try getting hold of Tekaloid. I don’t have a trade account and I don’t want industrial quantities – just a small tin of Brilliant Red for a bit of touching up. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denboy Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Huh, you try getting hold of Tekaloid. I don’t have a trade account and I don’t want industrial quantities – just a small tin of Brilliant Red for a bit of touching up. Any ideas? If you know the ral number almost any decent paint shop will mix it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peacock Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Masons are now part of International Paints however Phil can mix their colours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dor Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 My last boat was painted in "Masons aircraft blue". I also had trouble sourcing some, but I took the old tin into a trade automotive paint shop and they mixed up a can that matched perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andywatson Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 (edited) Our boat is pained in Masons - I bought some last year from:- Classic Coatings Unit D3 Hathernware Ind. Est. Rempstone Road Normanton on Soar Loughborough LE12 5EW I don't have the number in my notebook, but I'm sure if you call directory enquiries .... Classic coatings are on 01509 844151. They are not open all the time so keep trying. The Old Mason's factory at Derby burned down spectacularly a few years ago (I heard the exploding paints cans from 5 miles away) and the paint now is made elsewhere. As Athy has no can with shade number on it I'll ask about and see if I can find it as Masons colour cards are not uncommon around here. If it's a current stock colour you can get about a litre. If it's no longer a stock colour you'll have a minimum of 2.5 litres to buy as It's a custom mix. Bear in mind that the original paint colour may now have changed by weathering. For what they sell Classic Coatings are reasonably priced and (to me) local but they are not canal specialists. You must therefore be confident that you can specify exactly what you require. If you aren't, go to the Paintmeister himself, Mr P Speight, and save yourself some agro. Edited November 20, 2008 by andywatson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderdust Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 The Old Masons factory at Derby burned down spectacularly a few years ago and the paint now is made elsewhere. Cans of paint exploding sound like gunfire even from 5 miles away. LPG cylinders, now there impressive when they go up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Andy, that's beyond the call of duty, thanks. Doubtless the old cans would have had a RAL number, but as I mentioned, the drop which I have left is in one of Robert Naghi's old pickle jars! How long ago did the factory burn down? I lived near Derby (Heanor) from 2000 to 2006 but I don't remember it happening. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedwell Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Huh, you try getting hold of Tekaloid. I don’t have a trade account and I don’t want industrial quantities – just a small tin of Brilliant Red for a bit of touching up. Any ideas? Our boat sides have always been "Tekaloid" Bright Red, which may not be the same thing but, in case this is what you meant, its number is shown below. When Tekaloid ceased to be available, I asked for an equivalent in an automotive paint shop and they had lists of lots of trade names and their equivalents. Beware of unknown brands as some have poor coverage. One version that I tried took 4 coats to cover red oxide primer but Auto Color (no longer ICI) is good for coverage. Arthur Tekaloid Bright Red BM80 P01 ICI Auto Color P383-CD85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koukouvagia Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Our boat sides have always been "Tekaloid" Bright Red, which may not be the same thing but, in case this is what you meant, its number is shown below. When Tekaloid ceased to be available, I asked for an equivalent in an automotive paint shop and they had lists of lots of trade names and their equivalents. Beware of unknown brands as some have poor coverage. One version that I tried took 4 coats to cover red oxide primer but Auto Color (no longer ICI) is good for coverage.Arthur Tekaloid Bright Red BM80 P01 ICI Auto Color P383-CD85 Thanks. That's exactly the information I need. I couldn't read the tin because it was covered in drips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andywatson Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 When our new boat was being built three years ago my wife and i looked through a copy of Paget Tomlinson's Colours Of The Cut book to seek inspiration. We settled on an approximation of the Chance & Hunt livery, which was duly applied by boat painter Robert Naghi from Nottingham. he told us that the base colour was "Mason's deep violet". Now the paintwork needs a bit of attention and the spare paint which Robert gave us in a pickle jar (he's an informal sort of chap) is almost used up. I've looked for stockists of Mason's, which I thought was a popular brand, but have een told that the paint is discontinued. Is this true and, if so, does anyone know where there may still be stocks - especially of deep violet? British Standard colour: BS 22-E-58 Still vailable as Masons P type but as it has a BS number could be mixed elsehwere. In my experience it will vary a bit though and your boats paint will be weathereed. A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 (edited) Excellent, and thanks for your PM also. I am slightly confused by the BS number; I thought that the standard paint colour notation was called RAL (but have no idea what it stands for). What is "Mason's P-type"? Does this differ from their (former) standard range? Edited November 21, 2008 by Athy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard T Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 RAL colours are a german standard and consist of 4 numbers eg RAL5024 , which is a blue grey. BS (British Standard) is another means of describing a colour. eg 10B15. Dulux have their own system of colour notation as do some other paint manufacturers. In the print world Pantone colours reign but they include the white of the paper so are difficult to mix as a paint. Remember colours are affected by the light they are viewed in, so for the outside of your boat take any samples outside, they will look very different under LED or flourescent tubes. Phil Speight can probably mix any colour with a bit of trial and error. If you are happy with automotive paint any good motor trade suppliers will mix it for you. Try Hex Holdings in Loughborough, Leicester, Nottingham and a good few other places. For Dulux/Crown Dave Putt by the Greyhound in Loughborough 100m from the cut is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitman Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Excellent, and thanks for your PM also. I am slightly confused by the BS number; I thought that the standard paint colour notation was called RAL (but have no idea what it stands for).What is "Mason's P-type"? Does this differ from their (former) standard range? "Mason's P-type" is just their coach enamel type paint, and you can get P-type mixed up in all BS and RAL colours aswell as Mason's House colours. I think 'Deep Violet' is probably one of the Mason's house colours, 'house colours' are like their standard range. The formulations for these house colours are known to companies that supply paint for automotive so you shouldn't have a problem. Phil will probably be able to get this mixed up for you in Craftmaster Coach Enamel or if you need P-Type specifically then pm me and I will put you on to a supplier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leepers Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Try these people, I've bought Masons paint from them over the years (last year was the last purchase) Rainbow Paints Mafeking Works, Duke Of York St, Wakefield, West Yorkshire WF1 3PD Tel: 01924 380966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Speight Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 When our new boat was being built three years ago my wife and i looked through a copy of Paget Tomlinson's Colours Of The Cut book to seek inspiration. We settled on an approximation of the Chance & Hunt livery, which was duly applied by boat painter Robert Naghi from Nottingham. he told us that the base colour was "Mason's deep violet". Now the paintwork needs a bit of attention and the spare paint which Robert gave us in a pickle jar (he's an informal sort of chap) is almost used up. I've looked for stockists of Mason's, which I thought was a popular brand, but have een told that the paint is discontinued. Is this true and, if so, does anyone know where there may still be stocks - especially of deep violet? Joseph Mason - a maker of very fine paint indeed was bought out and brought low ( ALLEGEDLY ) by Mcleod Russell Coatings many many years ago - although to be fair they may well have initiated their own downfall earlier than that. Once the business had been terminally ruined ( some would say - also allegedly ) it was sold on to Akzo Nobell for a bargain price. The factory was stripped out and closed and machinery was sold off - to HMG, with whom I work very closely, and perhaps others , although I`m not sure of the actual sequence of events in that regard. Akzo own ICI`s ex paint division, Johnson`s , International , Sikkens and many, many others. Mason`s product range was "rationalized" given that the whole group already covered all the bases , as it were. Paint carrying Mason labelling is now available from various mixing plants around the country although wether or not it is the same paint is for you to decide. I have never used it so it would be very unfair to comment. Anyway - same or not is irrelevant as long as it`s good paint. The Masons we were getting from Mcleod Russell was ultimately a very poor imitation of the original- but the product now on the market has a good following - so it would be out of order for me to imply that it was the same stuff that caused us to give up and start our own paint company - in fact I`d find it hard to believe that it could be ! Different or not it can`t be bad paint by any means - quite the contrary. Classic Coatings in the Midlands have it and so have many others - but you can find them yourself - I would obviously prefer you to buy our paint products - on the basis that if they`re good enough for us.......................... That said - there is nothing magic about Mason or Tekaloid or , for that matter, Craftmaster colours. We could all readily mix whatever colour you may want , we have formulae for all theirs and they have them for ours - most are RAL or BS standards carrying a fancy name anyway. For instance , Masons Azure Blue is the same as ours and the same as International Danube Blue. It`s also no doubt marketed as several other things as well. Whatever - it`s actually BS 104 and is only one example of hundreds. Finally , on behalf of ALL the major companies supplying paint to the canal market , remember this - whoever`s paint you buy , Craftmaster , Masons, International , Rylards, Blakes etc IT WILL BE OK. There are far more bad painters than there are bad tins of paint. By an absolutely colossal margin. If the paint you have is one where White Spirit works as a solvent it will be compatible with all the other such . You can use ours on any of the others and you can equally well use all of them on ours. I always try to be fair on occasions like this - and I hope I`ve managed it this time. I want you all to use our paint - but I have great respect for our rivals and wish them every success. Okay - with one exception - but I`ve never named them here and never will. Cheers Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Speight Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Our boat sides have always been "Tekaloid" Bright Red, which may not be the same thing but, in case this is what you meant, its number is shown below. When Tekaloid ceased to be available, I asked for an equivalent in an automotive paint shop and they had lists of lots of trade names and their equivalents. Beware of unknown brands as some have poor coverage. One version that I tried took 4 coats to cover red oxide primer but Auto Color (no longer ICI) is good for coverage.Arthur Tekaloid Bright Red BM80 P01 ICI Auto Color P383-CD85 Reds are a problem these days as are all the "chrome " colours . The latest legislation makes it almost impossible to make a paint with all the qualities you need that will cover well - this applies to most reds and yellows and the product of reds and yellows e.g. certain greens for instance. It is of course open to contradictions . Our Alfa Red covers vastly better than our Bright Red - possibly because the Bright Red has a hint of orange to it - and orange is another chrome colour - where the Alfa Red has an indiscernable amount of white pigment which will always help with coverage. For this reason ( apart from simple good painting practice ) it is always best to use a colour dedicated undercoat with synthetic enamel top coats. Tekaloid is still available. Like most other old brand names it was bought out as a name only years ago and many different products have been put in Tekaloid tins over the years. The one on the market now however is, once again , damn good paint . If I wasn`t so genuinely happy with our own products , or if Craftmaster failed to survive the forecast recession ( don`t worry on our behalf - we`ll weather it ok ), I would certainly have the current iteration of Tekaloid on my list of possible substitutes - very near the top. Having said that they will have to face the same difficulties we all may. Ignore me - I shouldn`t have read the Sunday Times financial stuff this morning - and for once Clarkson didn`t raise a smile . Daft as he is . Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canalwatcher Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Excellent, and thanks for your PM also. I am slightly confused by the BS number; I thought that the standard paint colour notation was called RAL (but have no idea what it stands for).What is "Mason's P-type"? Does this differ from their (former) standard range? RAl stands for the German Reichsausschuß für Lieferbedingungen und Gütesicherung" (Imperial Commission for Delivery Terms and Quality Assurance) Zodiaks colour is RAL 5011 - "Stahlblau" Is it possible to get some touch up paint mixed to this colour in a smallish quantity? Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Green always used to be such a reliable colour ,so which greens are the best for covering and durability now. A question for Phil I think. I had planned to paint the "big nasty" a slightly brighter shade of green next time. I have been tempted by grey as it seems to cover well and be durable but having lived with a dark grey roof Iam looking for a warmer colour scheme which will look ok with oxide coloured roof so please recommend a good green.Whatever I use will no longer be subject to the fallout from oldbury chemical industry as I have moved so it should be in with a chance of survival. Washing the boat and having the paint come off on the cloth is a bit odd.[no I didnt use emulsion!!] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Speight Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Green always used to be such a reliable colour ,so which greens are the best for covering and durability now. A question for Phil I think. I had planned to paint the "big nasty" a slightly brighter shade of green next time. I have been tempted by grey as it seems to cover well and be durable but having lived with a dark grey roof Iam looking for a warmer colour scheme which will look ok with oxide coloured roof so please recommend a good green.Whatever I use will no longer be subject to the fallout from oldbury chemical industry as I have moved so it should be in with a chance of survival. Washing the boat and having the paint come off on the cloth is a bit odd.[no I didnt use emulsion!!] Most greens still pretty good in fact but but go for ones that you may imagine have a touch of white or extra blue in. Sorry - I cant be more precise because every colour is different. Brunswick Greens are consistently good. Cheers Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoominPapa Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Brunswick Greens are consistently good. They are. Evening activity this week includes painting Melaleuca's day tank with Phil's excellent mid-Brunswick (AKA Lister) Green engine enamel. Whilst I'm painting, I'm finding it impossible to get the song "It's not easy being green", as performed by Kermit the Frog, out of my brain. Must be the solvent fumes...... MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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