Cedar 2024

[stagedamager]

great to see the progress. keep up the good work!

[max's son]

[Zen]

Work has pulled me away from this forum recently but it's great to see the ongoing work, I'm sure it will look fantastic when finished, keep up the excellent work

[spud]

any updates on cedar

[DShK]

On 11/01/2025 at 13:13, spud said:

any updates on cedar

 

Almost finished the shutts. 1600 nails in total - luckily I managed to snag a professional nail gun on ebay really cheap.

 

Crane is due on thursday so the metalwork can soon begin.

 

[spud]

6 minutes ago, DShK said:

 

Almost finished the shutts. 1600 nails in total - luckily I managed to snag a professional nail gun on ebay really cheap.

 

Crane is due on thursday so the metalwork can soon begin.

 

i see you have cut square round the knees the same way that ash has been done - is this how erewash boats was done because i thought they were shaped

round each knee to stop stuff falling through - i am trying to learn from you restoring people

[DShK]

3 hours ago, spud said:

i see you have cut square round the knees the same way that ash has been done - is this how erewash boats was done because i thought they were shaped

round each knee to stop stuff falling through - i am trying to learn from you restoring people

 

I have no idea what was originally done. I doubt it would be different for the Erewash boats. I think these things probably varied by who was doing it. For example, the livery on Ash and Cedar were different from the factory - probably just two different signwriters given a vague set of guidelines.

 

Just doing the best job I can do with the time constraints/skills we have. I don't need to stop stuff falling down there - it's easy enough to take a shutt up, and the gap isn't that big anyway. I suspect they would have been done simply anyway, perhaps it being a smaller gap might stop aggragate getting down there but the gap isn't big enough this way for coal to get into the bilge.

 

Also I am not a restoring person - just an enthusiastic noob!

Edited January 12 by DShK

[max's son]

lot of hard work to shape them like this

 

[David Mack]

On most ex-working boats the knees are quite corroded at exactly the level of the shutts, suggesting that it was common for debris to get wedged into the space between the ironwork and the timber, where it would get damp and foster corrosion. A slightly larger gap might help minimise this.

[BEngo]

1 hour ago, David Mack said:

On most ex-working boats the knees are quite corroded at exactly the level of the shutts, suggesting that it was common for debris to get wedged into the space between the ironwork and the timber, where it would get damp and foster corrosion. A slightly larger gap might help minimise this.

Yes, but then there will be a bigger route for debris to get under the shutts and build up and trap water on the base plate.

The professionals would no doubt clear under  the shutts ocasionally, but in modern usage a bigger gap is likely to help with ventilation and maybe thereby prolong the life of the shutts.

[spud]

On 12/01/2025 at 19:01, DShK said:

 

Almost finished the shutts. 1600 nails in total - luckily I managed to snag a professional nail gun on ebay really cheap.

 

Crane is due on thursday so the metalwork can soon begin.

did you get the wooden floor finished, and did the crane come so you could finish the metalwork as well

 

I want to learn about restoration and you seem to know how to do it

[agg221]

On 17/12/2024 at 12:58, DShK said:

 

That looks like delaminating wrought iron to me. Interesting. As previously mentioned, this would have been considerably more expensive than using mild steel at the time so it is likely to have been a conscious choice.

Alec

[DShK]

Metalwork has started. The lads at glascote basin have been hard at work. They are removing some of the dents/deformities as the boat is so deformed the gunnel angle is sloped upwards. New knee bends are being made using the original central bar.

 

Edited February 8 by DShK

[spud]

On 08/02/2025 at 10:34, DShK said:

Metalwork has started. The lads at glascote basin have been hard at work. They are removing some of the dents/deformities as the boat is so deformed the gunnel angle is sloped upwards. New knee bends are being made using the original central bar.

is this restoration finished yet 

[DShK]

1 hour ago, spud said:

is this restoration finished yet 

No mate

[Bee]

Looking like good work.

[Ray T]

When I built my wooden butty the shut gaps around the knees were square. 😁

 

I used the shutts in Barlow's Admiral as a guide and noticed there were holes every so often to aid lifting the shuts

 

 

 

 

Edited February 27 by Ray T

[DShK]

I like your attention to detail that the knees aren't all quite parallel Ray! One of the more frustrating aspects of making the shutts, and why each one has to have it's own place.

[Rob-M]

That's why they often have numbers painted on them so you know where each one goes.

[DShK]

55 minutes ago, Rob-M said:

That's why they often have numbers painted on them so you know where each one goes.

 

Ellie at Menzie's Marineware (chandlery at glascote) made me a set of tags that I nailed gunned on. Should last better than being painted on.

 

[Ray T]

The shutts in Raymond.

 

I would appear to get round the knees 45 degree angles have been cut.

 

Is this getting into "rivet counting territory?" 😁

 

Edited February 27 by Ray T

[spud]

20 hours ago, DShK said:

No mate

i see - i thought perhaps the lack of updates and pictures meant it was finished and i do not know how long it takes - i am trying to learn from a person like you who knows abot historic boats and you seem to be the boss restoration man

[DShK]

1 hour ago, spud said:

i see - i thought perhaps the lack of updates and pictures meant it was finished and i do not know how long it takes - i am trying to learn from a person like you who knows abot historic boats and you seem to be the boss restoration man

No, quite a lot of time being spent straightening her out and redoing the knees. People go on holiday and stuff too.

 

Soon the thin bits will be cut out and replaced. And new cants made.

 

Then new gunnels.

 

Then painting.

 

plenty to do still! and time is running short...

 

 

The people who know what they are talking about are the ones doing the metalwork! (ie not me!)

[agg221]

The correct Cedar?

 

Alec

 

[DShK]

Straight, knee bends all done. Fore end cants largely done. One of the guys here hammer tested the behind the knees, reckons only one of those was soft - cut out, replated. Hot riveting done by Dave Ross - video here https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BmRBSPsA5/

 

I am taking a couple of weeks off work to prep and paint the hull, starting next week. Hopefully the metalwork will continue while we do that. Then the plan is to spray 2 pack primer on the cabin, gunnels on, and get a base of persian yellow on. Depending on if we hit the crane date or not, will change if we continue with the coach painting now or in the future.

 

Metalwork still to do -

 

2 suspected thin areas (might be fine)

Deck beam

Cabin Beam

Stern cants

Flattening out and welding down stern lid

 

Edited May 29 by DShK