when is a boat a home

[ditchcrawler]

Many years ago myself and my next door neighbour decided to extend our bungalows, we decided on identical extensions as the bungalows were identical drawn up by the same person,. We both submitted them at the same time to the planning authority, his passed mine failed for not being in keeping with the area.

[Mad Harold]

2 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

Many years ago myself and my next door neighbour decided to extend our bungalows, we decided on identical extensions as the bungalows were identical drawn up by the same person,. We both submitted them at the same time to the planning authority, his passed mine failed for not being in keeping with the area.

You obviously forgot to pin the twenty pound notes to your application.

[magnetman]

It is interesting how the title of the thread has so little in common with the discussion. 

 

Did someone perhaps think 'home' was a synonym for 'house'? 

 

[MtB]

Just now, magnetman said:

It is interesting how the title of the thread has so little in common with the discussion. 

 

Did someone perhaps think 'home' was a synonym for 'house'? 

 

 

Yes I was hoping for a detailed analysis of what it means to "live somewhere".

 

I have lots of places I can "lay my head". Which is "my home"? 

 

Further (as per title) "a home" is not necessarily the same thing as "my home". 

 

 

[magnetman]

2 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

Many years ago myself and my next door neighbour decided to extend our bungalows, we decided on identical extensions as the bungalows were identical drawn up by the same person,. We both submitted them at the same time to the planning authority, his passed mine failed for not being in keeping with the area.

There is a really bizarre story with a small plot in an area of land by the Thames. It is an area described as 'plotland'. Lots and lots of little chalets and bungalows some with residential PP and some without. In all there are about 50 of them. One of the plots has no bungalow or chalet just a caravan. a moored Boat and a shed. It really is the 'odd one out'. The owner keeps on applying for permission to build a bungalow there but always gets refused despite every other plot having already been built on. I was intrigued and found that this has been going on since the 70s. They always get refused. 

 

Seems bizarre. 

 

 

[MtB]

1 minute ago, magnetman said:

There is a really bizarre story with a small plot in an area of land by the Thames. It is an area described as 'plotland'. Lots and lots of little chalets and bungalows some with residential PP and some without. In all there are about 50 of them. One of the plots has no bungalow or chalet just a caravan. a moored Boat and a shed. It really is the 'odd one out'. The owner keeps on applying for permission to build a bungalow there but always gets refused despite every other plot having already been built on. I was intrigued and found that this has been going on since the 70s. They always get refused. 

 

Seems bizarre. 

 

Chertsey Meads?

 

[magnetman]

4 minutes ago, MtB said:

 

Chertsey Meads?

 

Thames Meadow at Shepperton. 

Also called Coway Sale. 

[MtB]

3 minutes ago, magnetman said:

Thames Meadow at Shepperton. 

Also called Coway Sale. 

 

Hmmm can't place it, although I used to ride my bike around there 55 years ago! 

 

[magnetman]

Just below the Desborough cut 

 

where the white broads cruiser is in this image. 

 

 

They now have a new wide bean canal Boat there and a better caravan but refusal of planning permission to build is consistent. 

 

I just don't get it given that all the other plots have dwellings. 

 

Obviously with the rather massive RTS flood alleviation scheme in the pipeline there will be some discussion but everyone else there has already put chalets and bungalows on their plots. 

 

 

Edited July 13 by magnetman

[MtB]

29 minutes ago, magnetman said:

Just below the Desborough cut 

 

where the white broads cruiser is in this image. 

 

 

They now have a new wide bean canal Boat there and a better caravan but refusal of planning permission to build is consistent. 

 

I just don't get it given that all the other plots have dwellings. 

 

Obviously with the rather massive RTS flood alleviation scheme in the pipeline there will be some discussion but everyone else there has already put chalets and bungalows on their plots. 

 

 

 

Thanks. Looks very familiar. 

 

Rather than keep applying, I'd have thought appealing the decision might have yielded a more acceptable answer.

 

[jonathanA]

On 12/07/2024 at 16:54, GUMPY said:

People are clutching at straws 

Like it or not there will be no permitted development rights on a mooring.

 

I'm sorry this just nonsense. Permitted development rights exist for non residential land as well as residential property. They cover such things as farmers operating car boot sales or the 28 day caravan rule, temporary structures such as animal shelters, shepherds hut etc, plant and machinery , engineering works there's pages and pages of it not just garden sheds or small extensions that most home holders think of. 

 

I'm am speaking from personal experience as my land and mooring (which is agricultural land) has a "section 4 notice" on it which restricts certain permitted development rights.  In my case I'm not allowed, for example to maintain or change any fences or gates without written permission from the LPA.  (Good luck with that Mr planner).

 

 

[nbfiresprite]

On 12/07/2024 at 08:21, Mike Adams said:

I would be very careful if you pay council tax at your mooring and have a house as well elsewhere. You could become liable, depending on the location, for a second home premium of up to 100%in England as you are only able to have one primary residence.

That is the case with The Anglia Revenues Partnership (ARP) who have the contract to collect council tax for five councils (East Suffolk Council - West Suffolk Council - Fenland District Council - East Cambridgeshire - Breckland Council) in the East of England.

[Momac]

On 12/07/2024 at 17:19, David Mack said:

I tend to agree. But at locations like the Barby Straight on the North Oxford and elsewhere, where a strip of field alongside the canal has been fenced off and divided into individual plots for use as moorings/gardens, there are sheds, summerhouses, decking, patios, lawns, shrubberies etc. Do these locations have planning consent? Or grandfather rights? Or just planning authorities turning a blind eye?

Its not illegal to build without planning permission . But if you do build without permission its possible people or the local authority can complain and the building etc  may need to be demolished and the land restored to its pre development state.

[ditchcrawler]

11 hours ago, Momac said:

Its not illegal to build without planning permission . But if you do build without permission its possible people or the local authority can complain and the building etc  may need to be demolished and the land restored to its pre development state.

Roof ripped off UK's 'biggest man cave' after decade-long planning battle sees it finally demolished - Manchester Evening News

 

[John Brightley]

On 11/07/2024 at 20:30, Graham Davis said:

The only definitive answer you will get will be from the local Council and their Planning Dept.
Any answers you get on an internet forum are merely conjecture, invariably from non-experts

Most of the time advice from a council's planning department will be correct, but I have known them give incorrect advice. I would recommend asking an independent planning consultant.

[Alan de Enfield]

33 minutes ago, John Brightley said:

.........but I have known them give incorrect advice

 

As have I, not only totally incorrect but telling lies as well.

So much so, I had to get the Governments' Rural Planning advisor,  my MP and a QC involved, resulting in a letter of apology from the Chief exec and, a payment of compensation.

 

Don't trust the burgers !!