Horninglow Wharf - Burton

[mark99]

[Guest]

Much nicer before the A38 rocked up.

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

it appears proper boaters knew how to tie at centre with no springs 👍

 

mind, not moving far in that ice

[Jen-in-Wellies]

I tried comparing it the NLS 6" and 25" maps and can't make the buildings shown fit the picture, either as above, or mirror imaged. Are we sure this is Horninglow? The basin has lost some depth away from the canal with the A38.

[David Mack]

Aren't the boats moored to the towpath, facing south west, the large building behind being that shown on the map extending over the canal and fronting onto Horninglow Road, with the long lower building to the left being where the A38 now runs? I think the gabled wing to the left of the two children projects further forward than the central and right gables, which is consistent with the map.

Edited November 22, 2023 by David Mack

[Francis Herne]

3 minutes ago, David Mack said:

Aren't the boats moored to the towpath, facing west, the large building behind being that shown on the map extending over the canal and fronting onto Horninglow Road, with the long lower building to the left being where the A38 now runs?

That seems to be right. It's clearer in this photo. The building going completely over the canal had me fooled.

 

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/817755244824683324/

 

It seems to have survived the A38 construction if not for long.

Edited November 22, 2023 by Francis Herne

[David Mack]

 

Mark - any details for the date or identifying the boats in this photo?

[Jen-in-Wellies]

3 minutes ago, David Mack said:

Aren't the boats moored to the towpath, facing south west, the large building behind being that shown on the map extending over the canal and fronting onto Horninglow Road, with the long lower building to the left being where the A38 now runs? I think the gabled wing to the left of the two children projects further forward than the central and right gables, which is consistent with the map.

You are right. The building going over the canal got me. Now I know to look for it, I can see it.

[David Mack]

1 minute ago, Francis Herne said:

The building going completely over the canal had me fooled.

If you zoom in behind the boats you can see right through the building and the canal beyond.

[pearley]

1 minute ago, Francis Herne said:

That seems to be right. It's clearer in this photo. The building going completely over the canal had me fooled.

 

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/817755244824683324/

Another good picture. I had assumed that all the buildings were demolished at the same time as A38 built. 

[David Mack]

http://www.burton-on-trent.org.uk/?p=hkwnwgtg claims the photo was taken in 1910. But to me the boat nearest the towpath looks very much like one of the 24 iron composite boats built for FMC by Braithwaite and Kirk of West Bromwich between 1912 and 1914, in which case the photo would have to be somewhat later.

The outer boat is wooden.

Edited November 22, 2023 by David Mack

[mark99]

3 hours ago, David Mack said:

 

Mark - any details for the date or identifying the boats in this photo?

Will look it up in my jumble of folders David.

The only caption I got was "Two barges in the frozen basin of Horninglow Canal Wharf" c 1910-30.

[Bitty]

This is looking from about the same spot in the 1970s.

On 22/11/2023 at 14:37, David Mack said:

http://www.burton-on-trent.org.uk/?p=hkwnwgtg claims the photo was taken in 1910. But to me the boat nearest the towpath looks very much like one of the 24 iron composite boats built for FMC by Braithwaite and Kirk of West Bromwich between 1912 and 1914, in which case the photo would have to be somewhat later.

The outer boat is wooden.

 

I was told this photo was taken in the 1930s.

The Burton Daily Mail  used to have the original copy of this photo.

Bass brewery had a wall poster of this when their museum of brewing was going.

[mark99]

2 hours ago, Bitty said:

This is looking from about the same spot in the 1970s.

 

I was told this photo was taken in the 1930s.

The Burton Daily Mail  used to have the original copy of this photo.

Bass brewery had a wall poster of this when their museum of brewing was going.

The date I copied on my folder note was 1910-30. I assume this is whom the source got when the photographer was active.

[magnetman]

Nice josser in that picture. 

 

Not sure what the outside boat is maybe a Yarwoods? but the inside is the one for me any day. 

 

 

 

 

On 22/11/2023 at 08:00, mark99 said:

 

I think the outside boat is wooden looking at the guards by the cratch. 

[David Mack]

2 hours ago, magnetman said:

I think the outside boat is wooden looking at the guards by the cratch. 

And the nailed on iron on the stem post.

[Derek R.]

10 hours ago, magnetman said:

Nice josser in that picture. 

 

Not sure what the outside boat is maybe a Yarwoods? but the inside is the one for me any day. 

 

 

Almost certainly a Braithwaite & Kirk boat. (Different ice though).

Stem fender by Joe Bridge, Skipton.

 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2023 by Derek R.