Help needed carpentry and electrics

[chrisk_87]

4 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Sadly your comprehension seems to be somewhat lacking.

 

I gave the worst case prices for a crane and the size of crane needed  when I said ".......cost anywhere up to £1000 depending"......... - yes you can get a cheaper smaller crane depending on access - we needed to get a 100 tonne crane in to lift 11-12 tonne boats due to the necessary 'reach' that cost £4000 for the day.

 

If you added together my figures you'd have seen that I used mid price of ~£700 for a crane.

jesus £4000 for a crane now.  got to bed buddy try and keyboard warrior someone else think you need some sleep 

[Paul C]

3 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:

 got to bed buddy try and keyboard warrior someone else think you need some sleep 

What does this mean? Its not comprehensible English.

[chrisk_87]

not. another one jesus you have really nothing else to do that put people down not help at all the guy tells me its going to cost me £1800 to get the boat out to scrap it but its only worth £1500 scrap infact if you read the posts you will understand. 

and the last reply from me was not to your self it was to alan de enfield 

apologies for any inconvenience 

[mrsmelly]

1 hour ago, chrisk_87 said:

anyway thanks for the advise and none help and negativity i guess ill be leaving here and returning to the real world where things can be done and will be done bye bye 

You are missinterpreting some sound advice. Many people on here have a great deal of boating experience under their belts, some of us have owned numerous boats over many years and all are actualy giving you " Real World " experience. Remember most of us have also done the ( much easier ) job of refurbing houses also, and understand that boats come with a whole host of harder to do jobs. Of course you will find someone who will do it for mates rates but if they offer to do it for mates rates of say 200 pounds a day and can start straight away, then walk away 👍

[chrisk_87]

Just now, mrsmelly said:

You are missinterpreting some sound advice. Many people on here have a great deal of boating experience under their belts, some of us have owned numerous boats over many years and all are actualy giving you " Real World " experience. Remember most of us have also done the ( much easier ) job of refurbing houses also, and understand that boats come with a whole host of harder to do jobs. Of course you will find someone who will do it for mates rates but if they offer to do it for mates rates of say 200 pounds a day and can start straight away, then walk away 👍

yes i understand that i have a very good friend who is a plumber but not carpenter or electrician i appreciate the positive comments its the ones that say cut your losses and buy one done lol its a forum for help should be a good community not negativity. 

[Paul C]

7 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:

not. another one jesus you have really nothing else to do that put people down not help at all the guy tells me its going to cost me £1800 to get the boat out to scrap it but its only worth £1500 scrap infact if you read the posts you will understand. 

and the last reply from me was not to your self it was to alan de enfield 

apologies for any inconvenience 

All I want to do is understand and help. I'm out, anyway.

[chrisk_87]

thanks xx

God bless you safe travels 

[Alan de Enfield]

1 hour ago, chrisk_87 said:

jesus £4000 for a crane now.  got to bed buddy try and keyboard warrior someone else think you need some sleep 

 

That is a factual price for a 100 tonne crane for 10 hours.

There were 30 of us to be lifted out / in so we all paid £150 each.

 

Welcome to the real world, not some wannabe dreamer !

 

 

 

 

[LadyG]

I have to say that @Alan de Enfieldhas put up some pointless posts in the past, in this instance it is unhelpful in the extreme.

[chrisk_87]

6 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

That is a factual price for a 100 tonne crane for 10 hours.

There were 30 of us to be lifted out / in so we all paid £150 each.

 

Welcome to the real world, not some wannabe dreamer !

 

 

 

 

wannabe dreamer yeah right lifted a 70 ft all steel narrowboat out of water last year and transported for £400 like i say not what you know who you know. it went to scrap for £3260 

keep your plastic boat lol just jelaousy btw my best friend just lost his life one a dawn craft and his dog in pendeford we are real life not dreamers 

2 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I have to say that @Alan de Enfieldhas put up some pointless posts in the past, in this instance it is unhelpful in the extreme.

and thankyou lady xx 

omg wish i could meet this guy and show him the real world alan de enfield get a life not on here dragging people down.  btw im on shropshire union brewood bridge 14 if you have any reply 

4 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:

wannabe dreamer yeah right lifted a 70 ft all steel narrowboat out of water last year and transported for £400 like i say not what you know who you know. it went to scrap for £3260 

keep your plastic boat lol just jelaousy btw my best friend just lost his life one a dawn craft and his dog in pendeford we are real life not dreamers 

and thankyou lady xx 

omg wish i could meet this guy and show him the real world alan de enfield get a life not on here dragging people down.  btw im on shropshire union brewood bridge 14 if you have any reply 

you know where i am let me know a day and time ill make sure im there to school you on narrowboats and maths at that even though im dyslexics 

thankyou lady xx

7 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I have to say that @Alan de Enfieldhas put up some pointless posts in the past, in this instance it is unhelpful in the extreme.

thankyou lady xx

[LadyG]

1 hour ago, chrisk_87 said:

yes i understand that i have a very good friend who is a plumber but not carpenter or electrician i appreciate the positive comments its the ones that say cut your losses and buy one done lol its a forum for help should be a good community not negativity. 

They are saying that this is a major project, which it is, it will also be expensive and unfortunately it is unlikely that you will be able to recoup that money. 

Keep using the search function to research technical issues, but check with the forumites before you make any major purchases.

Edited March 27, 2023 by LadyG

[chrisk_87]

i can do majority of work just not electrics have had a quote of £6000 to rewire and install solar with inverter all parts included. i can fit out rest just wanted it done bit faster so could enjoy with family but guess ill have to take time off and finish it myself. 

[Tony Brooks]

1 hour ago, Paul C said:

All I want to do is understand and help. I'm out, anyway.

 

I rather feel the same way. The OP posts in the style of so many starry eyed newbies that have gone before with only the barest description of what he wants help with, and even then seems to have changed his requirements as the discussion developed. First he wanted a rewire and insulation doing, then he said he could do a lot of it himself. He does not seem to have establishes if he has insulation already. I have tried to point out how much work doing the insulation will be and give suggestions as to how the wiring could be tackled without renewing all of it, but it still looks to me as if he is very likely to spend more than the boat could be sold for. That may be fine if a lot of the fun is in the DIYing and the OP has the patience and time, but as he seems to have got fed up with the time it is taking (asking for leads to professional help)eventually getting fed up experience here suggests is very likely. If the interior is stripped out if/when he gets fed up, it devalues the hull even more.

 

we don't know where he is trying to do this job, many marinas will not allow that sort of work on the pontoons, and if he is doing it bankside it raises a lot more difficulties relating to getting things like the lining boards to site and the manoeuvring them and cutting to fit inside the boat.

 

When we were fitting out the GRP hire cruisers from bare hulls in a boatyard with the facilities and power needed it would take several months with teams of two or three carpenters, two or three engineers with at least one apprentice, and two painters. That is without any "ripping out" to fit insulation. That experience is why I say and individual doing it at weekends etc. is likely to take time measured in years for a presentable job.

 

I wish him luck and hope he gets it done without being ripped off for work that may not be necessary.

[chrisk_87]

32 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

That is a factual price for a 100 tonne crane for 10 hours.

There were 30 of us to be lifted out / in so we all paid £150 each.

 

Welcome to the real world, not some wannabe dreamer !

 

 

 

 

and just agin wrong math 30 x £150 is £4500 

2 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

I rather feel the same way. The OP posts in the style of so many starry eyed newbies that have gone before with only the barest description of what he wants help with, and even then seems to have changed his requirements as the discussion developed. First he wanted a rewire and insulation doing, then he said he could do a lot of it himself. He does not seem to have establishes if he has insulation already. I have tried to point out how much work doing the insulation will be and give suggestions as to how the wiring could be tackled without renewing all of it, but it still looks to me as if he is very likely to spend more than the boat could be sold for. That may be fine if a lot of the fun is in the DIYing and the OP has the patience and time, but as he seems to have got fed up with the time it is taking (asking for leads to professional help)eventually getting fed up experience here suggests is very likely. If the interior is stripped out if/when he gets fed up, it devalues the hull even more.

 

we don't know where he is trying to do this job, many marinas will not allow that sort of work on the pontoons, and if he is doing it bankside it raises a lot more difficulties relating to getting things like the lining boards to site and the manoeuvring them and cutting to fit inside the boat.

 

When we were fitting out the GRP hire cruisers from bare hulls in a boatyard with the facilities and power needed it would take several months with teams of two or three carpenters, two or three engineers with at least one apprentice, and two painters. That is without any "ripping out" to fit insulation. That experience is why I say and individual doing it at weekends etc. is likely to take time measured in years for a presentable job.

 

I wish him luck and hope he gets it done without being ripped off for work that may not be necessary.

thanks for the input i will upload a before inter and after pic of exterior just so you know whats its like now 

3 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:

and just agin wrong math 30 x £150 is £4500 

thanks for the input i will upload a before inter and after pic of exterior just so you know whats its like now 

and by no means a starry eyed newbie lol 

before

midway

not finished yet needs top coats 

nearly there 

[Tony Brooks]

12 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:

i can do majority of work just not electrics have had a quote of £6000 to rewire and install solar with inverter all parts included. i can fit out rest just wanted it done bit faster so could enjoy with family but guess ill have to take time off and finish it myself. 

 

So why did you originally ask for someone to rewire and refit it if you can do so much of the work yourself. On the basis of your original post the advice to get rid is probably correct. However, the more you can DIY the less you will need to pay for professional help. That makes it a far more realistic project.

 

Personally, I find that quote a bit suspect and would not be in a bit surprised if it went up once the job was underway.

 

If you do strip it out to fit insulation, give a lot of thought to how you will run your wires so they can be got at without stripping the lining out.

[chrisk_87]

getting there 

1 minute ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

So why did you originally ask for someone to rewire and refit it if you can do so much of the work yourself. On the basis of your original post the advice to get rid is probably correct. However, the more you can DIY the less you will need to pay for professional help. That makes it a far more realistic project.

 

Personally, I find that quote a bit suspect and would not be in a bit surprised if it went up once the job was underway.

 

If you do strip it out to fit insulation, give a lot of thought to how you will run your wires so they can be got at without stripping the lining out.

that quote was from a fully qualified electrician specialising in boat electrics 

[Alan de Enfield]

18 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:

and just agin wrong math 30 x £150 is £4500 

 

The guy spent 10 hours in his cab - had a mug of tea and sandwiches and only came out for a 'P'

 

We rounded it up and each gave him £17 as a tip.

Quite happy to pay a bit over the top for good service.

 

Hours ago I thought you said you were leaving ?

 

"anyway thanks for the advise and none help and negativity i guess ill be leaving here" 

 

Close the door behind you.

 

PS - if you are going to get critical about someones maths - I'd suggest you look closely at your standard of written English - it leaves a lot to be desired.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Alan de Enfield

[Tony Brooks]

2 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:

getting there 

that quote was from a fully qualified electrician specialising in boat electrics 

 

Exactly what did the quote document say? It should show the details of what is to be done, but I suspect it does not have much detail. A quality inverter/charger maybe £1200 and the panels and controller perhaps another £500 or so. Then there is the many meters of cables and the terminals that will be needed. I hope that quote stands and you don't get left with unsupported far eastern equipment.

[chrisk_87]

5 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

The guy spent 10 hours in his cab - had a mug of tea and sandwiches and only came out for a 'P'

 

We rounded it up and each gave him £17 as a tip.

Quite happy to pay a bit over the top for good service.

 

Hours ago I thought you said you were leaving ?

 

"anyway thanks for the advise and none help and negativity i guess ill be leaving here" 

 

Close the door behind you.

 

PS - if you are going to get critical about someones maths - I'd suggest you look closely at your standard of written English - it leaves a lot to be desired.

lmao goodnight and goodbye alan like i said i sent you my location if you wish to discuss further but dont thing that plastic tub  can make it. 

[Bee]

There are some things that make a big project worthwhile. Having a worthwhile end result is one of them, That is a nice boat and worth the effort. Many people think they can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear but that will make a very good boat if you can stay the course. Just crack on with it and prove us all wrong. Good luck.

[chrisk_87]

4 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

Exactly what did the quote document say? It should show the details of what is to be done, but I suspect it does not have much detail. A quality inverter/charger maybe £1200 and the panels and controller perhaps another £500 or so. Then there is the many meters of cables and the terminals that will be needed. I hope that quote stands and you don't get left with unsupported far eastern equipment.

the quote was from a professional electrician with i think it was victron gear he has been in the business 20 years

[Quattrodave]

21 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:

that quote was from a fully qualified electrician specialising in boat electrics 

 

Was your electrician doing 240v only or low voltage and 240v ??

 

A decent inverter will be well over £1000 solar panels and controller(s) depending how many watts you require could easily be another £1000.  You can't use twin and earth, decent multi strand isn't cheap.  If your low voltage is calculated properly the guage of cable required will scare you.  if you want to do a really good install use tinned cable.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Quattrodave

[chrisk_87]

Just now, Bee said:

There are some things that make a big project worthwhile. Having a worthwhile end result is one of them, That is a nice boat and worth the effort. Many people think they can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear but that will make a very good boat if you can stay the course. Just crack on with it and prove us all wrong. Good luck.

many thanks for a positive comment it will get there and it will be finished. there are so many negative people on here xx

3 minutes ago, Quattrodave said:

 

Was your electrician doing 240v only or low voltage and 240v ??

 

A decent inverter will be well over £1000 solar panels and controller(s) depending how many watts could easily be another £1000.  You can't use twin and earth, decent multi strand isn't cheap.  If your low voltage is calculated properly the guage of cable required will scare you.

he was doing it properly with  a 5kw victron system with all appropriate wiring 

including 12 v full rewire

[Quattrodave]

6 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:

he was doing it properly with  a 5kw victron system with all appropriate wiring 

 

OK, but was your electrician doing 240v only or low voltage and 240v ??

 

I take it that's a 5kw inverter? If so depending on supply voltage that alone could be £2000!

[chrisk_87]

it was 12 v full rewire and the full solar inverter kit 

23 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

The guy spent 10 hours in his cab - had a mug of tea and sandwiches and only came out for a 'P'

 

We rounded it up and each gave him £17 as a tip.

Quite happy to pay a bit over the top for good service.

 

Hours ago I thought you said you were leaving ?

 

"anyway thanks for the advise and none help and negativity i guess ill be leaving here" 

 

Close the door behind you.

 

PS - if you are going to get critical about someones maths - I'd suggest you look closely at your standard of written English - it leaves a lot to be desired.

im dyslexic my friend so no banter about my english