doratheexplorer Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, waterdog said: Don't quote me on this as I'm working from memory but I believe that if there is some sort of door between the "driving" area and the "home" area its OK. Definite No No, if sitting in the driving area including passenger seat. I've heard various things, including whether the keys are in the ignition. In the end, it's down to the discretion of police officers to decide if they want to progress anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougie Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, alan_fincher said: Presumably not illegal to pedal one at more than 15.5 mph though, rather than relying on the motor? If so, it would be hard to prove! Perfectly fine to pedal any bike over 15.5 mph. I don't believe speed limits apply to bicycles as they don't require speedometers and realistically nobody is going to get past 30 mph for any period of time unless they're professional standard. I can catch e bikes using my normal bike but I'm sure I'm going to get passed on a hill one day by an e bike. If it's steep they have the advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterdog Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, cougie said: Perfectly fine to pedal any bike over 15.5 mph. I don't believe speed limits apply to bicycles as they don't require speedometers and realistically nobody is going to get past 30 mph for any period of time unless they're professional standard. I can catch e bikes using my normal bike but I'm sure I'm going to get passed on a hill one day by an e bike. If it's steep they have the advantage. unless your in London's parks https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-cyclist-fined-for-speeding-in-richmond-park-after-he-is-clocked-at-38mph-a3102191.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess-- Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 43 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said: This can be a geniune problem for people with motorhomes when parked overnight outside of proper campsites. the old trick used to be that you put the ignition (not door) key under one of the wheels. I know of one lad that ended up with 9 points on his provisional license (no insurance / no qualified person in the vehicle + something else related) for sitting in his parents car while they were shopping, they had left the keys in the ignition and the engine running (for the heater), Put his driving back by years as his insurance jumped to 5 figures (which was 2 figures more than his car cost), it's the only time I have seen an insurance quote of over £10,000 (3rd party fire & theft) for a mini metro that was worth around £300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jess-- said: the old trick used to be that you put the ignition (not door) key under one of the wheels. I know of one lad that ended up with 9 points on his provisional license (no insurance / no qualified person in the vehicle + something else related) for sitting in his parents car while they were shopping, they had left the keys in the ignition and the engine running (for the heater), Put his driving back by years as his insurance jumped to 5 figures (which was 2 figures more than his car cost), it's the only time I have seen an insurance quote of over £10,000 (3rd party fire & theft) for a mini metro that was worth around £300 I think I'd go to court over that if it was me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 56 minutes ago, cougie said: Perfectly fine to pedal any bike over 15.5 mph. I don't believe speed limits apply to bicycles as they don't require speedometers and realistically nobody is going to get past 30 mph for any period of time unless they're professional standard. What about the quarter of a mile or so past our local school with its 20mph limit? I am sure some can and do go faster than they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougie Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 42 minutes ago, waterdog said: unless your in London's parks https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-cyclist-fined-for-speeding-in-richmond-park-after-he-is-clocked-at-38mph-a3102191.html Ah that's that there London - odd things happen there. Don't think it was speeding - riding furiously is usually the charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougie Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jerra said: What about the quarter of a mile or so past our local school with its 20mph limit? I am sure some can and do go faster than they should. Are they going past the cars ? 2 tonnes of metal at 20mph is lot more dangerous than 80kilos doing 20mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, cougie said: Are they going past the cars ? 2 tonnes of metal at 20mph is lot more dangerous than 80kilos doing 20mph. You are assuming the village has lots of cars. As we are on the C2C. in summer bikes far outnumber the cars apart from the "rush hours" i.e. going to work and returning (most outside school hours). However the point is the post suggested that 30mph was the only speed limit cyclists had to be concerned about. With the ever increasing number of 20mph limits and cyclists, coupled with the regularly increasing complaints about speed, it is something which needs kept in mind. Particularly by cyclists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougie Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 As I say. I'm a keen cyclist. 20mph is pushing it. The vast majority of cyclists won't be that fast. Every car will be. Cars kill hundreds each year. Nobody's bothered as it's been normalised. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 hours ago, doratheexplorer said: I think I'd go to court over that if it was me. My missus appealed an 18 month ban for being drunk in charge, handed down by a magistrates court. The sensible judge at crown court, upon hearing the evidence and confirming that a ban was not compulsory quashed it and replaced it with a nominal fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess-- Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 22 hours ago, doratheexplorer said: I think I'd go to court over that if it was me. they (the family) looked into it but were advised that there would be little chance of success as the car was on the public highway with the engine running and he was the sole occupant for quite a period of time which meant there was no avoiding that he was in charge of the motor vehicle (the running engine was the killer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 When I was learning to drive the instructor asked me to stop outside a local shop so that he could nip in and buy some ciggies. He got out of the passenger door and started walking towards the shop, then suddenly dashed back and grabbed the keys from the ignition. I guess if we had been caught I could have got points and a fine, and he could have lost his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacka Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 hours ago, David Mack said: When I was learning to drive the instructor asked me to stop outside a local shop so that he could nip in and buy some ciggies. He got out of the passenger door and started walking towards the shop, then suddenly dashed back and grabbed the keys from the ignition. I guess if we had been caught I could have got points and a fine, and he could have lost his job. Or concerned you might do a bit of practice driving on your own as you were paying for the hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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