Harvesting free power

[Alan de Enfield]

1 hour ago, WotEver said:

Yes it was. And they discontinued it ten years ago. 

I did a lot of work on that Platform both at Dearborn and Dunton, and for the BE13 & CE14 at Dunton & Merkenich.

[mrsmelly]

3 hours ago, WotEver said:

Yes it was. And they discontinued it ten years ago. 

In fairness only about a third of it was mondeo and the engine and running gear were not. They were cracking little cars I have owned three and all even the baby one was a lovely drive. The 3 litre was quite quick.

[thebfg]

On 15/02/2019 at 12:19, sirweste said:

After me old one died I just bought this:

https://www.amazon.com/AUKEY-20000mAh-Lightning-Portable-Compatible/dp/B0176HQ1O8

 

Basically since changing the central heating pump to 12 V I no longer need the inverter on overnight. As such I now use one of these power banks again. Take it to work with me, charge it up at me desk through the day.

 

Your question was specific about recharge time, for big batteries I use the AC adapter supplied with iPads as it's something like 12 W, it is this that limits your recharge time. The pack I have has a capacity of ~ 74 W

I've two of those banks. brilliant and can't fault them.

[WotEver]

48 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

In fairness only about a third of it was mondeo and the engine and running gear were not. They were cracking little cars I have owned three and all even the baby one was a lovely drive. The 3 litre was quite quick.

We had one a few years back and loved it. There was actually very little of it that was Mondeo, even the suspension arms were similar but sufficiently different that if you fitted Mondeo ones you’d quickly wear out your tyres. It was a cracking car that saved Jaguar.

 

Nevertheless, it was discontinued 10 years ago. 

2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

the BE13 & CE14 

Not a nomenclature I’m acquainted with. I know most of the models by their X number, such as the missus’s X150. 

[Alan de Enfield]

8 minutes ago, WotEver said:

We had one a few years back and loved it. There was actually very little of it that was Mondeo, even the suspension arms were similar but sufficiently different that if you fitted Mondeo ones you’d quickly wear out your tyres. It was a cracking car that saved Jaguar.

 

Nevertheless, it was discontinued 10 years ago. 

Not a nomenclature I’m acquainted with. I know most of the models by their X number, such as the missus’s X150. 

 

For Platforms.

 

B Class

E Europe

13 Development Number

 

BE13 = Fiesta

 

C Class

E Europe

14 Development Number

 

CE14 = Escort

 

CD = Class (half way between a C and a D class)

W  World

27  Development Number

 

CDW27 = Modeo etc etc

[WotEver]

2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

For Platforms.

 

B Class

E Europe

13 Development Number

 

BE13 = Fiesta

 

C Class

E Europe

14 Development Number

 

CE14 = Escort

 

CD = Class (half way between a C and a D class)

W  World

27  Development Number

 

CDW27 = Modeo etc etc

Ahhh... Ford codes, not Jag codes. That’s why I’ve never heard them before

[Alan de Enfield]

7 minutes ago, WotEver said:

Ahhh... Ford codes, not Jag codes. That’s why I’ve never heard them before

I was working at the time when Jag was Ford

[WotEver]

33 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

I was working at the time when Jag was Ford

Yup, I realised that

[Boater Sam]

WotEver really is like an old woman with a stick, can't forget a comment made in good faith but has to be niggardly in his criticism, he is still ignored, I just peeked.

 

I seem to be vindicated anyway, X type Jags are on a Ford platform.

 

Lets draw this silly contradiction to a close, it matters not one jot and they have not been made for over 10 years, Jaguar is no longer Ford. That is possibly why the cars are better made and make a profit now.

[Alan de Enfield]

20 minutes ago, Boater Sam said:

That is possibly why the cars are better made and make a profit now.

Interesting you should say that :

 

Britain’s largest car manufacturer, which is owned by India’s Tata Group, made a £3.4bn pre-tax loss in the last three months of 2018 as sales fell. It anticipates a loss for the financial year as a whole for the first time in a decade.

 

Excluding the one-off accounting charge, JLR lost £273m before tax during the last quarter. This is a significant increase on its £90m loss in the previous quarter and a £192m profit a year earlier. Revenues fell by £100m to £6.2bn as vehicle sales fell to 144,602 for the quarter, almost 10,000 less than the previous year.

[WotEver]

2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Revenues fell by £100m to £6.2bn...

I guess with that much turnover it won’t be too hard to turn it back into a profit. 

 

A few years back, encouraged by the government, Jaguar invested in offering a diesel solution for the majority of their range, designed a new range of Diesel engines, and opened a new Diesel engine manufacturing plant. The government then went on to demonise Diesel engines with the result that we now see. A somewhat pathetic recent statement at the Jaguar head office by a government minister that “Modern diesels are actually rather good” is much too little much too late to arrest the harm already caused. 

Edited February 17, 2019 by WotEver
Corrected an incorrect assumption.

[Alan de Enfield]

7 minutes ago, WotEver said:

Methinks someone dropped in a ‘bn’ where they should have typed ‘m’. 

 

A few years back, encouraged by the government, Jaguar invested in offering a diesel solution for the majority of their range, designed a new range of Diesel engines, and opened a new Diesel engine manufacturing plant. The government then went on to demonise Diesel engines with the result that we now see. A somewhat pathetic recent statement at the Jaguar head office by a government minister that “Modern diesels are actually rather good” is much too little much too late to arrest the harm already caused. 

I think the 6.2bn fall in revenue is probably JLR rather than just Jaguar.

A 25% drop in sales revenue ties in with reported sales reductions.

 

From Wikipedia :

 

Jaguar Land Rover

Type	Subsidiary
Brands	Jaguar Land Rover
Production output	439,749 (Land Rover) 174,560 (Jaguar) (2017–18)
Revenue	£25.8 billion (2017–18)
Operating income	£1.5 billion (2017–18)

Edited February 17, 2019 by Alan de Enfield

[WotEver]

1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:

I think the 6.2bn fall in revenue is probably JLR rather than just Jaguar

I suspect that’s highly likely. LR sales have fallen through the floor with them being mostly diesel powered. 

 

Thanks, government!

 

Except that it’s not a £6.2bn fall of course. 

[Boater Sam]

To borrow a line from elsewhere, " funny how its always someone else's fault".

Presumably they make a profit on petrol powered cars?

But then Tata can afford it.

[WotEver]

30 minutes ago, Boater Sam said:

Presumably they make a profit on petrol powered cars?

They make a profit from diesel cars too, but they wasted many hundreds of millions of pounds heavily investing in diesel as they were encouraged to do by HMG. It’s not just Jag of course, all manufacturers are suffering in the same way for the same reasons. My sympathies aren’t particularly for Tata sons who can easily afford it but for the workforce who work very hard to make quality vehicles. 

[Sea Dog]

5 minutes ago, WotEver said:

...they wasted many hundreds of millions of pounds heavily investing in diesel as they were encouraged to do by HMG

And then, when that work paid off and manufacturers cleaned up their diesel act (or fudged the figures!) there was mass hysteria over the issue they'd just so radically improved. Some seem to forget petrol engines also pollute. 

[WotEver]

1 hour ago, Sea Dog said:

And then, when that work paid off and manufacturers cleaned up their diesel act (or fudged the figures!) there was mass hysteria over the issue they'd just so radically improved. Some seem to forget petrol engines also pollute. 

Yup

[Machpoint005]

23 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

I think the 6.2bn fall in revenue is probably JLR rather than just Jaguar.

A 25% drop in sales revenue ties in with reported sales reductions.

 

From Wikipedia :

 

Jaguar Land Rover

Type	Subsidiary
Brands	Jaguar Land Rover
Production output	439,749 (Land Rover) 174,560 (Jaguar) (2017–18)
Revenue	£25.8 billion (2017–18)
Operating income	£1.5 billion (2017–18)

 

Those data seem to suggest it's mainly the Land Rover bit that is responsible for the losses. About 72% of the cars made by JLR were Land Rovers - that's not far off 3 out of every 4.

[Sea Dog]

6 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said:

Those data seem to suggest it's mainly the Land Rover bit that is responsible for the losses. 

That certainly seems true for the financial circumstances of a fair few modern LR vehicle owners!

 

[Machpoint005]

My heart bleeds ...

[roland elsdon]

Jlr made very advanced vehicles that were purchased in droves overseas. I believe the 4 cylinder 2.7 diesel of 15 years ago was sold in fords here.

the loss of export revenue caused by the governments decision is ludicrous. Diesel engines are superb in the correct environment, where they can run at a steady state at temperature, but appalling on the 1 mile school run in the cold.

the government should be promoting the export of such superb products to appropriate markets, and taxing the ares off them in uk cities.

my disco 1 had done 300000 kms when i sold , same engine box turbo and clutch from new, my friend runs a disco3 with 450000 on the clock. I drove it last week, it is powerful smooth and quiet.

hes spent $10000 on renovations but a new one here is about $ 120000  so he recons he is laughing.

 

[Machpoint005]

55 minutes ago, roland elsdon said:

>> the loss of export revenue caused by the government's decision is ludicrous. <<

 

Substitute almost anything you like for "export revenue" and it remains true.

59 minutes ago, roland elsdon said:

Diesel engines are superb in the correct environment, where they can run at a steady state at temperature,

 

eg in a narrowboat!