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  1. steamraiser2

    Lister Green

    Yes it is. Someone has fitted it as it isn't original. If I get round to fitting electric start it will have to go as it's in the way. Nicely done though.
  2. steamraiser2

    Lister Green

    Of course the Lister green thing is a bit of a myth as you could have a variety of colours. Having stripped dozens of them to bare metal I know that, from new, they could be grey, olive drab, light blue, yellow, black and every shade in between. Only yesterday I picked up a 1952 JP2M that has been maroon from new. So paint it whatever colour you like. Red flywheel ? Not unless you want half the forum to hunt you down 😄
  3. From your engines hours it has done the road equivalent of over 200000 miles. If it were a hard working truck engine that would be nothing to worry about. In a narrowboat it will have spent most of its life poodling about which is not a good thing. You don't say if there is a particular issue with it but in our experience Gardners are often dirty because they are incorrectly set up, always ignore factory timing marks, set them up with clock gauges, They often have wrongly set injector pumps and have some idiosyncrasies around the injectors. To determine if yours is in need of a birthday there are a few easy checks that can indicate a problem. Such as the oil pressure dropping of rapidly as you switch it off when warm. If it's slow to come back up when restarted you may well have bottom end wear, or pump etc. Oily exhaust is usually rings, grey smoke low compression. The list goes on. The point is if you don't know don't touch. Don't rush for your spanners or your cheque book. A Gardner done properly and serviced correctly should be something your grandchildren may have to give tlc to. We have done quite a few that have gone for sixty years without any real issues
  4. The price differential between the market price of electric start JP2Ms and JP3 as core engines for restoration is the reason. £2500 for a rot free JP2M is around the going rate while we buy in JP3s at £500 or less. The rotten water rail on the one being commented on was not à good sign. I reckon it sold for twice it's worth. As with Gardner's the twins are always worth way more than the three cylinder variants. Market forces.
  5. You were lucky. We have had to go to 60 tons to shift them more than once. Nothing like a bit of salt water corrosion to rot them in!
  6. Firstly, Back in the day the oil of choice for these Perkins types was usually a straight 30 although I doubt that is has any bearing on your problem. To me this is more than likely a gauge issue. I've had similar on a old Dorman where the gauge seemed to have a mind of its own. Personally I would change it for an oil filled gauge which are far better at damping than the old fashioned ones.
  7. Take a look at the Woods of Crediton website. They had P6s and gearboxes ex RN stock for not much money. A transplant may be a cheap option
  8. Marine Power Services. Off the shelf item
  9. about £100 to test and calibrate, £200 to strip and rebuild plus parts. A truly clapped pump needing elements & bearings and delivery valves etc could easily get up towards £600. Hard to estimate until its is stripped and checked
  10. Not really. We get pump camshafts made these days. So it's not the end of the world. We recondition quite a lot of these pumps for our own and customers engines. The fuel injection side of the business is fast catching up with the engine restoration and parts business it seems
  11. One spring is for speed control the other is meant to damp the action of the other to prevent hunting at tick over. Over complicated for no good reason. I wonder if one/ both of the springs is/are stretched or of the wrong poundage always assuming that its not simply an air in fuel issue.
  12. You are right in your assumptions. You really should get someone who knows about your engine to show you the ropes. It is very easy to come unstuck. A little initial assitance will set you up I'm sure ?
  13. Crankcase venting on LWs is sometimes through the filler cap, where a vent filter is provided, or through venting in the rocker covers If you haven't got either the crankcase pressure will build up for sure. If your engine is one of the many asthmatic Gardners out there the blow by can be considerable. Back in the day we drilled an tapped the covers on our 6LWs in the Fodens and ran hoses out behind the cabs to carry the fumes away from the drivers Anything to avoid spending money on the trucks.
  14. Are you sure that you have the correct dipstick? Only ever seen a similar thing when a gearbox was overfull
  15. During my days as an apprentice there were three commonly used torque settings : half a grunt, a grunt and a grunt and a half.
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  17. The current cost of carrying out the conversion of a JP to electric start is around £1300 for the flywheel machining , ring gear and starter motor and mounting bracket. Pallet freight and boatyard costs are extra of course. We have done quite a lot of these both 23" and 26" types. The CE will be much the same depending on the size and availability of the correct ring gear. If you are able to remove the flywheel and get it on a pallet yourself its not that an expensive a job overall. If you are dependant on a boatyard it could add a significant extra cost. The £1300 is for new parts not second hand items.
  18. Welding fuel tanks is a fools game if you don't take proper precautions. Don't take a chance on it without considering a foolproof way to do it. If you take yourself back to school and remember the science class where they taught you the triangle of fire. 1/ fuel 2/ air/ 3/ heat (ignition source). With all these present the chances of a spectacular end to your day is very likely indeed. I have fond memories of a colleague attempting to braze a leak off pipe connection back into a Lister fuel tank on a dumper. He used all the dodgy justifications for excessive risk too. The resultant bang and cloud of smoke and flame was spectacular indeed. The scorced face less so. It was a blessing that he had his goggles on. However these days its easy to provide an easy remedy to your problem by breaking the triangle of fire by removing one or more of the elements. Personally I would empty the tank, it's an opportunity to clean it out anyway. Ensure that the filler cap is securely shut and remove the tank vent. Use that connection to connect up the regulator hose from an inert gas bottle. Nitrogen would be my gas of choice but I have used the Co2 hose from a mig welder before. Add gas from the gas bottle at very low pressure and fill the tank with it. No fuel, no air, no bang. Weld away. Dont forget that if you do manage to start a fire and hurt yourself or damage something the insurer will call it misadventure and probably not pay out.
  19. As Martyn said, end float and detectable lift on the crankshaft. Any end float above a few thou is generally a pretty good indicator of a developing problem.
  20. The core of your problem is the throughput. A vehicle stat, or even a Cat D9, will be too small. What you have is a Spirax version of a Mason valve, not common and very expensive. It may be worth contacting Woods of Crediton. They have a yard full of ex Royal Navy parts and may well have something to suit.
  21. I would have thought that a 3LW would not produce enough heat to make this run efficiently. I think that Jones the Nuke is on the right track when mentioning the condensation and black soot which is sure to follow. We always fit a decent thermostat system to the engines (dozens and dozens over the years). This enables the engine to run at the optimum temperature which narrowboat engines seldom do and, once warmed up to supply hot water to one of the calorifier coils. This always works well. The heat loss through the calorifier system is usually significant with the result that the engine stat seldom fully opens and it is unusual for cooling water to circulate through the skin tank except when thrashing up a river etc. The other thing to bear in mind is the need to prevent circulation through the engine related part of the circuit when the engine is off. Engines make splendid heat sinks and will cool the water in the calorifier overnight.
  22. Look out for the anguished wailing when someone posts a soundtrack of their beloved engine and promptly gets told that that it's clapped. No owner is happy hearing that ?
  23. A few years back there was a lot of bar room chatter down here in Dorset about a joint venture between Hall & Woodhouse (Badger) and Fullers to build a new joint brewery. The driver was the redevelopment of both existing brewery sites for housing. The rumour was that they were looking at potential sites in the Slough area. The idea seemed to die the death when the North Dorset District Council was less than enthusiastic about the housing use idea unless a new brewery was built locally first. Shrewd on their part I think. In the event a new brewery was built on part of the existing site. The old brewery is currently being converted into apartments. I can't imagine for a second that the Griffin brewery will last more than five minutes under the new owners. Maybe they will build a new brewery elsewhere or brew in the H & W brewery in Blandford? H & W's bottled beers are great the cask stuff less so. London Pride brewed in Dorset and sold in Fullers and H & W pubs?. Sounds like a plan to me
  24. Dave , I hadn't noticed your request for dimensions. Drop me a pm with your requirements and I'll measure the one newly arrived here.
  25. CE2s have a one piece rocker cover so I think it could be a CS...not a common engine in a narrowboat
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