Engine Oil Grade

[Maverick]

Anyone know of a cheaper source than the chandlers for engine oil cc grade? £18 for 5 litre seems a bit steep when car oil is available for £7. Is there really much difference?

[Chris-B]

Anyone know of a cheaper source than the chandlers for engine oil cc grade? £18 for 5 litre seems a bit steep when car oil is available for £7. Is there really much difference?

where are you ????

[carlt]

where are you ????

I paid £35 for 25 litres last time, bottom lock chandlers, braunston. £18 for 5 litres is extortionate

[Maverick]

where are you ????

That price was in a chandlers in Stoke on Trent. Should I name and shame em? You decide, I know they have to make a living but .........

I paid £35 for 25 litres last time, bottom lock chandlers, braunston. £18 for 5 litres is extortionate

Actually £17.99 to be picky but still a bit on the expensive side for me Carl

[Chris-B]

That price was in a chandlers in Stoke on Trent. Should I name and shame em? You decide,

 

No I asked because if you were in Uxbridge we can do a lot better than that price !

[David Schweizer]

Anyone know of a cheaper source than the chandlers for engine oil cc grade? £18 for 5 litre seems a bit steep when car oil is available for £7. Is there really much difference?

First of all your Boat engine is probably a diesel and your car engine is probably petrol, and they require different oil. The next consideration is the type and age of your engine, older engines and slower revving engines must use a lower spec of oil than modern engines. As there is less demand for these oils, they tend to be more expensive

 

I have to use straight 30 grade oil in my engine and use Morris Oil Supreme 30, which is good but quite expensive at £15 for 5litres, but just having shelled out over three grand on a re-build, £12 every 200 hours seems a small price to pay to protect all those nice new engine parts.

[smileypete]

Hi,

 

Should be able to order/buy API CC from a good motor factors, nothing special about it, eg:

 

http://www.commaoil.com/Product%20Pages/Oilsnlubes/hd30.htm

 

cheers,

Pete.

 

Edit:

 

David,

 

They also to a straight 30 oil too:

 

http://www.commaoil.com/Product%20Pages/Oi...bes/classic.htm

Edited July 24, 2007 by smileypete

[Maverick]

First of all your Boat engine is probably a diesel and your car engine is probably petrol, and they require different oil. The next consideration is the type and age of your engine, older engines and slower revving engines must use a lower spec of oil than modern engines. As there is less demand for these oils, they tend to be more expensive

 

I have to use straight 30 grade oil in my engine and use Morris Oil Supreme 30, which is good but quite expensive at £15 for 5litres, but just having shelled out over three grand on a re-build, £12 every 200 hours seems a small price to pay to protect all those nice new engine parts.

 

£3000 ...... I'd want a new boat for that. NEXT

[David Schweizer]

£3000 ...... I'd want a new boat for that. NEXT

Yes, but for that price it wouldn't have much of an engine, so the cost of oil wouldn't be an issue.

[larkshall]

Oil is the life blood of all engines, stick to good brands. Chandlers won't be the cheapest source though. There are a couple of internet mail order sellers which you should google for.

 

Comma oils aren't bad and are available through ANdrew Page and good independent automotive factors..

[chris w]

I paid £12 for 5 litres from an Isuzu dealer in a marina. Isuzu themselves suggested I could get the same API CC oil in Halfords even cheaper.

 

Chris

[Maverick]

I paid £12 for 5 litres from an Isuzu dealer in a marina. Isuzu themselves suggested I could get the same API CC oil in Halfords even cheaper.

 

Chris

 

 

Thanks Chris I'll give it a try although Halfords arnt know for being cheap.

[bottle]

Maverick

 

Try a local 'motor factors' have a look in 'yellow pages' they will/should be cheaper than Halfords.

 

The make of oil does not matter it is the specifiction that is important but you knew that.

[Maverick]

Maverick

 

Try a local 'motor factors' have a look in 'yellow pages' they will/should be cheaper than Halfords.

 

The make of oil does not matter it is the specifiction that is important but you knew that.

 

Hi Bottle have tried a number of motor factors and morrisons petrol stations etc. The oils on sale have every mixture of letters under the sun but none of them have CC or CA grade which is what I'm after. it also has to be 15w/40 according to the manual.

 

Just wonder how important these grades are to an old engine and wonder if sticking in a good quality 15w/40 diesel oil from a motor factors will do the job.

[bottle]

Hi Maverick

 

I can only give my thoughts on the correct grade/specification and that is, the engine manufacturer knows best.

[Richard T]

I went into my local Halfords and asked for API CC or CD oil and got a very blank look, the assistant had no idea about what I was talking about. So looked on their shelves but found nothing with a low enough spec for my BMC 1,8. They are good for the filters once you get over the 'what car is it from' question. B&Q stock an API CC oil at about £8 which I use. Wilkinsons do a cheap and cheerful un API rated oil for about £5 for 4.5ltrs which states it is for naturally aspirated diesels so also use that.

Found a good motor factors in Ladywood Birmingham when I had to repalce a hose recently Autozone 98 Steward Street which is off Spring Hill/Dudley rd close to its bridge over the SOho loop. Phone no. 0121 456 5609. They went and found an odd box of hoses which yielded one to suit. And service with a smile.

[David Schweizer]

name='Maverick' post='145517' date='Jul 25 2007, 07:04 PM']Just wonder how important these grades are to an old engine and wonder if sticking in a good quality 15w/40 diesel oil from a motor factors will do the job.

 

No, modern Diesel oils contain additives which can apparently damage the bores of old slower running engines. As I have said orris Oils make a range of oils suitable for older diesels, and most decent chandlerys stock their products. Or you can buy it on line:-

 

http://www.morrislubricantsonline.co.uk/leisuremarine.html

Edited July 27, 2007 by David Schweizer

[Maverick]

I went into my local Halfords and asked for API CC or CD oil and got a very blank look, the assistant had no idea about what I was talking about. So looked on their shelves but found nothing with a low enough spec for my BMC 1,8. They are good for the filters once you get over the 'what car is it from' question. B&Q stock an API CC oil at about £8 which I use. Wilkinsons do a cheap and cheerful un API rated oil for about £5 for 4.5ltrs which states it is for naturally aspirated diesels so also use that.

Found a good motor factors in Ladywood Birmingham when I had to repalce a hose recently Autozone 98 Steward Street which is off Spring Hill/Dudley rd close to its bridge over the SOho loop. Phone no. 0121 456 5609. They went and found an odd box of hoses which yielded one to suit. And service with a smile.

 

 

Hi Richard, is the B&Q price you quote for 5 litres?

[chris w]

Isuzu told me that the B&Q API CC oil is great for their engines. I can't quite recall but I think he said it was Morrisons.

 

Chris

[Semitrad]

name='Maverick' post='145517' date='Jul 25 2007, 07:04 PM']Just wonder how important these grades are to an old engine and wonder if sticking in a good quality 15w/40 diesel oil from a motor factors will do the job.No, modern Diesel oils contain additives which can apparently damage the bores of old slower running engines. As I have said orris Oils make a range of oils suitable for older diesels, and most decent chandlerys stock their products. Or you can buy it on line:-

 

http://www.morrislubricantsonline.co.uk/leisuremarine.html

 

How many suppliers actually "make" the oils they sell? To my (limited) knowledge all the oil we use comes to our shores in huge tankers directly to the refinery and the main differences between grades is just the additives they contain or not as the case may be.

[Tony Brooks]

Isuzu told me that the B&Q API CC oil is great for their engines. I can't quite recall but I think he said it was Morrisons.

 

Chris

 

 

Take care - especially with oil from supermarkets (Morrisons).

 

Many are selling a 20w50 oil that has no API specification, but a STOCK NUMBER ends in a prominent CC.

 

This may or may not be produced to an API specification, but unless an oil clearly quotes the API (or any other) specification on the can you can not be sure how it will perform.

 

I can get 20w50 or straight 30 grade oil in API CC or CD from several of my local motor factors (including Unipart/Partco/Brown Brothers) for a very reasonable price. 15w40 is much harder, but I do not think using 20w50 will make a significant difference for out type of use.

 

Tony Brooks

[smileypete]

Hi Bottle have tried a number of motor factors and morrisons petrol stations etc. The oils on sale have every mixture of letters under the sun but none of them have CC or CA grade which is what I'm after. it also has to be 15w/40 according to the manual.

Hi,

 

What make engine is it? Can you contact the engine manufacturer and ask if 20w50 API CC is OK?

 

20w50 is just a bit more viscous than 15w40.

 

cheers,

Pete.

[Maverick]

Hi,

 

What make engine is it? Can you contact the engine manufacturer and ask if 20w50 API CC is OK?

 

20w50 is just a bit more viscous than 15w40.

 

cheers,

Pete.

 

 

Manual says 10w/40 Api CC for temperatures below freezing and 15w/40 Api CC for temperatures above.

 

Checked B&Q and they sell Carlube 15w/40 Api CH at a cost of £12.99. Couldnt find a CC grade.

 

It does say suitable for Marine Diesel Aspirated 4 stroke Diesel engines.

 

Closest I've found yet and I'm wondering if the CH may be a more moden upgrade to an old CC grade!

Edited July 26, 2007 by Maverick

[smileypete]

Manual says 10w/40 Api CC for temperatures below freezing and 15w/40 Api CC for temperatures above.

 

Hi,

 

Do you know make engine it is?

 

If so can you contact the engine manufacturer and ask if 20w50 API CC is OK?

 

cheers,

Pete.

[David Schweizer]

Manual says 10w/40 Api CC for temperatures below freezing and 15w/40 Api CC for temperatures above.

 

Checked B&Q and they sell Carlube 15w/40 Api CH at a cost of £12.99. Couldnt find a CC grade.

 

It does say suitable for Marine Diesel Aspirated 4 stroke Diesel engines.

 

Closest I've found yet and I'm wondering if the CH may be a more moden upgrade to an old CC grade!

No, it is a completely different oil. If your engine manufacturer states that you should be using API CC grade oil then that is what you should use. CC grade is designed specifically for low duty Diesel and petrol engines, designed and built after 1961, it became obselete in 1991.

 

All the susequent grades fron CD to CH are for high performance, naturally aspirated engines normally found in Cars, it contains much higher levels of detergent which will damage a slower older low performance engine. Unfortunately whilst CH grade oil can be used as a substitute for engines requiring CD,CE, and CG grade oil, it cannot be used as substitute for CC grade oil.

 

Because there are relatively few older diesel engines in road vehicles today, the demand for CC grade oils is comparitively small, which pushes the price up. The last Major mnufacturer to market CC grade oil over the counter was Castrol who discontinued it about six or seven years ago.(I bought up the entire stock at a knockdown price from my local Halfords at the time)

 

Chandleries and Marine Engine specialists are now the main ,over the counter source,although you might be able to get some from a specialist Landrover dealer, or an Agricultural Merchant. I gave up searching years ago and now buy mine direct from Morris Oils, the service is quick and they will deliver to your home.

Edited July 26, 2007 by David Schweizer