Marshian Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, john12345 said: Boatlord paying all Waterlord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, john12345 said: Pump out is part of the mooring infrastructure Boatlord paying all excluding electricity, diesel and council tax Which leads on to another question then, to which you should seek an answer. Does the landlord know the boatlord is subletting the mooring to you and approve the deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john12345 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Marshian said: True enough, but that boat's rent is comparable with 2 bed flats in the area, it's not 3x the rent https://www.openrent.co.uk/property-to-rent/london/1-bed-house-boat-new-wharf-road-n1/297054 rent for boat 1200 per month rent in area minimum 600 per week... brendford rent for 2 bed 1350 per month boat 1290 per month Edited March 26, 2018 by john12345 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Interesting. Do you remember how much it was going for? There was a small sign attached to the post saying 'Mooring for sale' with a mobile number. I tried calling but nobody answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john12345 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Which leads on to another question then, to which you should seek an answer. Does the landlord know the boatlord is subletting the mooring to you and approve the deal? do you mean mooring administrator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshian Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 8 hours ago, john12345 said: 1 bed :1100-1200 2 bed :1200-1350 From your first estimate of rent levels in the area, I would say that the boat is comparable 6 minutes ago, john12345 said: brendford rent for 2 bed 1350 per month boat 1290 per month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, john12345 said: do you mean mooring administrator? No. Somebody owns the bank. They may or may not be the same person who owns the boat. I suggest you find out as if they are two different people the boat owner will be renting the mooring spot. Then if the owner of the mooring spot discovers you are renting the boat without their permission, they may or may not throw a wobbly and chuck you/you and the boat off the mooring. Best to clarify in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john12345 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: No. Somebody owns the bank. They may or may not be the same person who owns the boat. I suggest you find out as if they are two different people the boat owner will be renting the mooring spot. Then if the owner of the mooring spot discovers you are renting the boat without their permission, they may or may not throw a wobbly and chuck you/you and the boat off the mooring. Best to clarify in advance. looks like you panicking to much, in agreement I have a list of extra payments (electricity etc), so boat owner should be responsible for any other payments, not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, john12345 said: looks like you panicking to much, in agreement I have a list of extra payments (electricity etc), so boat owner should be responsible for any other payments, not me I'm not panicking. As long term landlord myself I can foresee potential difficulties you obviously can't. It's not the payments I'm concerned about, it is you getting made unintentionally homeless on the whim of the mooring owner, should he take against the arrangements. Your call though, it will probably be fine. But if it isn't fine, it could turn out to be a disaster for you. Bear in mind you'll be getting none of the rights and protections you're legally entitled to as a tenant of a house or flat. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john12345 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: I'm not panicking. As long term landlord myself I can foresee potential difficulties you obviously can't. It's not the payments I'm concerned about, it is you getting made unintentionally homeless on the whim of the mooring owner, should he take against the arrangements. Your call though, it will probably be fine. But if it isn't fine, it could turn out to be a disaster for you. Bear in mind you'll be getting none of the rights and protections you're legally entitled to as a tenant of a house or flat. thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, john12345 said: looks like you panicking to much, in agreement I have a list of extra payments (electricity etc), so boat owner should be responsible for any other payments, not me But if the owner of the bank says "No subletting. Full stop." And evicts the boat owner from the mooring, what are you going to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john12345 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, David Mack said: But if the owner of the bank says "No subletting. Full stop." And evicts the boat owner from the mooring, what are you going to do? thx for advice. yeh I will sort this out if..., but for now it's simple overpriced for me, quality of interiors, facilities inside and location is not worth 1290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 55 minutes ago, Marshian said: . Can't agree that cost of a rental property is a major determinant of the rent charged - it's determined by rent levels in the area. If you bought a property 20 years ago, would you charge a rent that was current at that time? I wouldn't. I have already explained that. Please see the second part of post no. 46. 41 minutes ago, Marshian said: Waterlord? If it was a time-share property, would he be a timelord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Athy said: If it was a time-share property, would he be a timelord? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, john12345 said: looks like you panicking to much, in agreement I have a list of extra payments (electricity etc), so boat owner should be responsible for any other payments, not me Have you read this: https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-the-waterways/boating/getting-afloat/renting-a-boat-to-live-on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 16 hours ago, john12345 said: Hi All, I'm looking for houseboat for rent in west london, is this one worth £1290 a month? https://www.openrent.co.uk/property-to-rent/brentford/2-bed-house-boat-ham-wharf-tw8/353652 https://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/46814321#e7cbYeFMmW16LSmw.97 thanks for help I wouldnt pay £290 a month to live in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0atman Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: I wouldnt pay £290 a month to live in London. i wouldn't live in London if they paid me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, b0atman said: i wouldn't live in London if they paid me Yeah whats all that about? The beauty of a boat is it can float off somewhere nice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, mrsmelly said: The beauty of a boat is it can float off somewhere nice!! Are you floating today mrsmelly?Its been a beautiful day for boating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: I wouldnt pay £290 a month to live in London. I'm shocked. How come you've never mentioned this before!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, rusty69 said: Are you floating today mrsmelly?Its been a beautiful day for boating. As well you know we are still int dock!! However tis completed and seeing as my genius brain docked us for the only two sunny days this SUMMER so far the paint has gone on and off very well. Hope to find somewhere to tie up before stupid weekend coming up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshian Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 59 minutes ago, b0atman said: i wouldn't live in London if they paid me More room for us Londoners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system 4-50 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, Marshian said: More room for us Londoners Ha! It's well overfull even without Smellys' 70ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshian Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 6 hours ago, Athy said: No mistake at all. We were talking about establishing the level of the rent, i.e. when the property is first put on the rental market, not about reviewing or raising it, which comes later. I have already explained that. Please see the second part of post no. 46 I think the distinction is artificial. Whenever I've offered an empty property at an initial rent, or raised the rent for the current tenant, rents charged within the local rental market would be the sole determining factor. If the costs of the property aren't covered by rent based on that criterion, then I'm in the wrong business! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshian Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, system 4-50 said: Ha! It's well overfull even without Smellys' 70ft. True - I don't boat in London. My boat's a chance to get out of London to the sticks. I keep forgetting what those big, flat green things are - oh yes, that's it, fields... Nice to get away to the sticks, but I wouldn't want to live there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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