grannykins Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 A quick question - when describing a boat as a certain length, does the measurement go from tip of the bow to the stern, to the end of the rudder, or does it include the fenders? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john6767 Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 That depends, for what purpose you are describing the boats length? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 (edited) Perm any one from these: Overall length including fenders Length with fenders up, including rudder Waterline length Length which is inserted into CRT licence renewal and marina paperwork Bragging length. If being honest the length for charging purposes includes the fenders in their natural position. Edited May 25, 2016 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 When paying for a mooring its the shortest length When licencing it, its the shortest length When insuring it, its the 'correct' length When selling it, its the longest length When asking for a quote on blacking / painting, its the shortest length. When ''comparing, its the longest length You need to decide (or read the definition of length for your specific 'use') 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergyguy Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Like that alan it sounds bang on lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 A quick question - when describing a boat as a certain length, does the measurement go from tip of the bow to the stern, to the end of the rudder, or does it include the fenders? Thanks. This wikipedia page explains the different length definitions.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 A quick question - when describing a boat as a certain length, does the measurement go from tip of the bow to the stern, to the end of the rudder, or does it include the fenders? Thanks. Only the person that measured the quoted dimension knows! I doubt you can safely assume a quoted dimension conforms to any convention. I quote my own boat as 35' in length and I know it was designed to be that length from the bow to the stern of the hull excluding the rudder as I have a copy of the original general arrangement drawing and steelwork schedule. How accurately it was constructed to that design I don't know. JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grannykins Posted May 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Wow, not an easy answer then. I was thinking about when we buy later this year. Was thinking 50 - 60 ft, so we can do as many canals as we can. But it sounds like even if you buy a boat that is described as 57ft, then there is no guarantees it will actually fit through the short locks? Although tbh, as we're buying a liveaboard, we may well end up with a longer one and just live with the limitations of travel. Thanks for all the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyt40 Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Here you are. A thread I posted a while ago. http://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=84187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grannykins Posted May 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Wow, not an easy answer then. I was thinking about when we buy later this year. Was thinking 50 - 60 ft, so we can do as many canals as we can. But it sounds like even if you buy a boat that is described as 57ft, then there is no guarantees it will actually fit through the short locks? None at all. Very few boaters have ever measured thier boats, they just quote the figure given to them when they bought it. Best thing to do is measure the boat yourself before shelling out any money on it. But where will YOU measure it from and to? Similarly, have a think about how the lenght of a 57ft lock is determined. The length of a lock is just as big a can of worms as the length of the boat which may or may not fit throgh it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FadeToScarlet Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 I let the BCN company measure it for me in 1935 when gauging it, they measured hundreds of boats so had some practice. (71' 9") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grannykins Posted May 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Guess we'll just go with the boat that says 'buy me', however long it happens to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 I let the BCN company measure it for me in 1935 when gauging it, they measured hundreds of boats so had some practice. (71' 9") But were they to make an error in their favour, was it in their interest to overstate the length or understate it? Understate, I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Guess we'll just go with the boat that says 'buy me', however long it happens to be That sounds more like how to pick a dog from the RSPCA than a buy boat. Actually, come to think of it, it's exactly how to buy a dog in both cases! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FadeToScarlet Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 But were they to make an error in their favour, was it in their interest to overstate the length or understate it? Understate, I think... I don't think it'd be in their interests to over or under state, as they measured dry inches for gauging, and worked it out with the weights and then mathematically, based on the weights- as far as I know, length had no bearing on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Guess we'll just go with the boat that says 'buy me', however long it happens to be Buy with your heart, purchase with your head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 I don't think it'd be in their interests to over or under state, as they measured dry inches for gauging, and worked it out with the weights and then mathematically, based on the weights- as far as I know, length had no bearing on that. I was wondering if the charts and tables they used required the correct length of boat to be entered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettie Boo Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Buy with your heart, purchase with your head! ^^ Very good advice IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puppy999 Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 my friend as a Viking 23ft I have a Seamaster 27 and the only difference is a few foot at the back (stern) where the bloody big engine is ok we have not been side by side but I really can not see 4ft of difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 I measure from tip of bow to sturn. Except for licance then its 10 foot of standing space with some glued on fire wood with a few odd old nails in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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