Collison in the Canal!

[Dharl]

OK a little larger than what we normally discuss, but some people might find this of interest! Local Port agent in Suez passed following to me:-

 

Today (29th September) there has been one Accident between two container’s vessels in the Suez canal in Port said in the 2nd South Bound convoy between m/v COLOMBO EXPRESS belong to Hapag-Lioyd and m/v MAERSK TANJONG belong to MAERSK line

 

Pls see the below video Showing the accident.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ktwo-k-onk

 

The clip is about 5 mins long and shows the two vessels having dropped pilots then increasing to full speed in shallow water which caused an interaction between the two hulls and a collision!

 

Anyone who knows about shipping law knows they don't want to be involved in "General Average" if it gets called by either of the ships Captains!

 

[Nightwatch]

Should the ship approaching from starboard way.

 

Even without know the rules of the road, the lloyds ship looks incorrect.

 

Martyn

[Dharl]

Yes the Lloyds Ship was the overtaking ship (Rule 13) so was responsible for keeping clear of the Maersk Ship until safely passed. Or ideally they could have waited about 20 mins, followed the Maersk into deeper water clear of the port where would have been able to put on the speed and safely overtake!

[luctor et emergo]

Wow...

 

That looked almost as if the Lloyds ship deliberately cut across the Maersk bow..

 

Guess the captain will be looking forward to explaining that one.

[Paul G2]

 

Today (29th September) there has been one Accident between two container’s vessels in the Suez canal in Port said in the 2nd South Bound convoy between m/v COLOMBO EXPRESS belong to Hapag-Lioyd and m/v MAERSK TANJONG belong to MAERSK line

 

Anyone who knows about shipping law knows they don't want to be involved in "General Average" if it gets called by either of the ships Captains!

 

 

If they were in a southbound convoy out of Port Said, why would they have dropped pilots? Wouldn't that put them heading into the canal with pilots required?

 

I don't see how general average could be applied to an obviously negligent act. The Lloyd's ship should be liable for damages to the Maersk ship and it seems Lloyd would be on pretty shaky ground if they tried to pass the cost of damages off to their cargo owners.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Paul G2

[Bee]

That was obviously staged to get the £200 from 'You've been framed'

[blackrose]

I don't think the clip shows an interaction between the two hulls and a collision due to both ships increasing to full speed in shallow water. I think it shows a collision as the result of both skippers being complete fools!

Edited September 30, 2014 by Grace & Favour
Edited to remove inappropriate language

[Dharl]

If they were in a southbound convoy out of Port Said, why would they have dropped pilots? Wouldn't that put them heading into the canal with pilots required?

 

I don't see how general average could be applied to an obviously negligent act. The Lloyd's ship should be liable for damages to the Maersk ship and it seems Lloyd would be on pretty shaky ground if they tried to pass the cost of damages off to their cargo owners.

To be fair its fairly obvoious what happened and the Happag- Lloyd is at fault so GA will not be an factor. The agents said it was a SB convoy, however with the way the vessels increased speec it looked like they had just dropped pilots rather than slower down for the canal passage. It has been a number of years since been that way so would be hard pressed to identify the exact location without some more legwork.

Human Error in all cases.

[blackrose]

I agree that the Happag-Lloyd is at fault, but surely it's also up to both ships to avoid a collision - and neither made any effort to do that.

[Dharl]

To be fair its fairly obvoious what happened and the Happag- Lloyd is at fault so GA will not be an factor. The agents said it was a SB convoy, however with the way the vessels increased speec it looked like they had just dropped pilots rather than slower down for the canal passage. It has been a number of years since been that way so would be hard pressed to identify the exact location without some more legwork. Human Error in all cases., much like me assuming that it happened when pilots where dropped, not necessarrly the case!! :-)

I agree that the Happag-Lloyd is at fault, but surely it's also up to both ships to avoid a collision - and neither made any effort to do that.

 

Yes it is both vessels responsibilities to keep clear but the camera was too far away to see what actions both vessels did. Trouble being with interaction on large ships you get to a stage and there is not much you can do. Am sure the HL had her helm hard over and full astern and maybe the Maersk was increasing speed to full to try and draw ahead. Will have to wait and see the accident reports comes out!

[Timleech]

Suggestions on one site that there was a steering gear failure.

 

Tim

Edited September 29, 2014 by Timleech

[Emerald Fox]

Are these the 2 berks who went past me on the Oxford Canal as I was having me afternoon cuppa tea, making me spill it all over me lap?

[tree monkey]

knowing nothing at about container ships a question comes to mind, how are the containers secured on the deck and how stable is that ship?

 

to a complete ignoramus about shipping on that scale it looks bloody unstable to me, can someone explain?

[steven wilkinson]

bungee

[luctor et emergo]

bungee

 

 

Same twist locks as found on the corners of a container lorry.

[tree monkey]

steven wilkinson, on 29 Sept 2014 - 8:36 PM, said:

bungee

well tbh honest if i was steering that boat i would have bought Halfords complete stock of bungees and some gaffer tape as insurance

[blackrose]

knowing nothing at about container ships a question comes to mind, how are the containers secured on the deck and how stable is that ship?

 

to a complete ignoramus about shipping on that scale it looks bloody unstable to me, can someone explain?

 

http://www.containerhandbuch.de/chb_e/stra/index.html?/chb_e/stra/stra_01_03_02.html

 

Edited September 29, 2014 by blackrose

[Peter Reed]

WTF? I agree with Mike, A pair of fools trying to prove who had the biggest gingangs. I would like to hear the radio comms between the two. Maybe it was just a racing incident.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Grace & Favour
Edited inappropriate language

[howardang]

To be fair its fairly obvoious what happened and the Happag- Lloyd is at fault so GA will not be an factor. The agents said it was a SB convoy, however with the way the vessels increased speec it looked like they had just dropped pilots rather than slower down for the canal passage. It has been a number of years since been that way so would be hard pressed to identify the exact location without some more legwork.

Human Error in all cases.

But surely boating is a contact sport, isn't it?

 

Howard

[Guest]

Bluddy hire boaters.

 

It just looks like 3pm handover at Wroxham.....

[Peter X]

Did anyone manage to understand the commentary from the group of men around the cameraman? Did these gongoozlers say anything of interest? It was all a bit drowned out by wind noise, and presumably in Arabic, so I got nothing.

[howardang]

Did anyone manage to understand the commentary from the group of men around the cameraman? Did these gongoozlers say anything of interest? It was all a bit drowned out by wind noise, and presumably in Arabic, so I got nothing.

Something about ....."why haven't they got their fenders down" I think!

 

Howard

[Dharl]

Bluddy hire boaters.

 

It just looks like 3pm handover at Wroxham.....

 

[Ssscrudddy]

Maybe they was both rushing to get into the lock 1st because they didn't want to wait behind the other.

[Tony Dunkley]

Yes it is both vessels responsibilities to keep clear but the camera was too far away to see what actions both vessels did. Trouble being with interaction on large ships you get to a stage and there is not much you can do. Am sure the HL had her helm hard over and full astern and maybe the Maersk was increasing speed to full to try and draw ahead. Will have to wait and see the accident reports comes out!

 

That didn't really look like interaction between the two ships, but more like the HL opening the gap to the Maersk and trying to avoid any such interaction, but in doing so, getting too close to what looks to be quite shallow water to starboard. Just as the HL starts the shear to port there appears to be a breaking wave caused by the draw from the HL, growing out from the starboard shore. From this point on the collision is inevitable, once a vessel of this size, or indeed even a much smaller ship, has smelled the ground and begun such a violent shear in relatively shallow and confined waters, there is really nothing that can be done. The Maersk would appear blameless and the collision caused by the HL's serious misjudgement in attempting to overtake in a too narrow and shallow channel.