ROYAL WEDDING

[carlt]

Giving someone the price of a beer or pack of fags is ok but if you care for that persons welfare and they are alcoholic or in poor health perhaps love means not giving it to them, tough love is still love.

 

So believing you have a right to dictate what someone does with their life, because you judge it to be wrong, is your definition of love?

 

I'm glad I don't subscribe to that.

 

If I give someone money then I usually give them a sandwich too, so they can spend the money on what they may regard as a luxury.

 

I do not consider myself perfect enough to judge what that luxury may be.

[nb Innisfree]

So believing you have a right to dictate what someone does with their life, because you judge it to be wrong, is your definition of love?

 

I'm glad I don't subscribe to that.

 

If I give someone money then I usually give them a sandwich too, so they can spend the money on what they may regard as a luxury.

 

I do not consider myself perfect enough to judge what that luxury may be.

 

Not giving someone something I think will harm them is dictating? I didn't say it was wrong just harmful. My definition of love is as I said, concern for other's well being, spiritual or physical, not what you have interpreted it as.

[carlt]

Not giving someone something I think will harm them is dictating? I didn't say it was wrong just harmful. My definition of love is as I said, concern for other's well being, spiritual or physical, not what you have interpreted it as.

I think someone who finds rare comfort, in a cigarette or drink, is being helped "spiritually" if someone else doesn't judge them, before deciding whether to be charitable or not.

 

I don't 'love' someone, because I choose to help them. I reserve such huge words for those closest to me.

[Radiomariner]

Is this from the ancient verb 'to bunt'?

 

What does it mean

 

Suggestions please...............

 

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My kids used to use 'Bunt' as a verb years ago. 'To have a bunt' generally meant having a sulk or tantrum,or throwing a 'Benny'(whoever he is!) Probably appropriate for an anarchists group.

 

 

Bunt or bunting was originally a type of lightweight cloth used to make ribbons or signal flags for the Royal Navy, now almost exclusively used for the celebration type flags.

 

Another use of the word bunt is the middle voluminous part of a mainsail, designed to fill with wind.

 

It was also used to imply plump or fat, as in "bye baby bunting" and "Billy Bunter". This may be linked with the filling out of a sail.

 

It is also a bird, reed bunting, which may also reflect the plumpness of the bird, and a type of baby sleeping bag.

 

Other uses - a type of offensive play in American Baseball, an aeronautical maneouver.

 

It may well come from an old English word, lost in the mists of time.

 

Baseball/Softball the batter may "Bunt" the ball. A bit like a cricket batsman "blocking". The ball lands close to the batters feet, by the time the fielders who were expecting a big hit, close in to field the ball, the batter has made first base. (At one time in my career I was manager of a league winning ladies softball team! )

 

 

Is not one privilege of being the monarch or an heir to the throne you don't have to display a valid reg. ???

Perhaps, but I did notice that the front number plate was different from the rear, highly irregular

[nb Innisfree]

I think someone who finds rare comfort, in a cigarette or drink, is being helped "spiritually" if someone else doesn't judge them, before deciding whether to be charitable or not.

 

I don't 'love' someone, because I choose to help them. I reserve such huge words for those closest to me.

What I am tying to say is it's easy to love those close to you, family, friends and kids, especially grandkids. The hard bit is trying to extend love outside to others, even your enemy, really it's definition of what love is, I think love for family and friends also includes a separate emotion called affection, love doesn't have to include affection. I feel a love for the human race but they are nearly all unknown to me, some I undoubtedly will dislike, maybe intensely but that doesn't mean I have no love for them.

 

I think love is largely misunderstood and thought of as a nice cosy comfortable feeling but in reality is often painful and uncomfortable, doubting if you have done the best thing for someone and suffering some angst over it. Believe me I don't feel certain about anything in this world, maybe I come across as a bit arrogant but really that is far from the truth.

[carlt]

What I am tying to say is it's easy to love those close to you, family, friends and kids, especially grandkids. The hard bit is trying to extend love outside to others, even your enemy, really it's definition of what love is, I think love for family and friends also includes a separate emotion called affection, love doesn't have to include affection. I feel a love for the human race but they are nearly all unknown to me, some I undoubtedly will dislike, maybe intensely but that doesn't mean I have no love for them.

 

I think we merely disagree on the words we use, yet have a similar attitude to life and people.

 

What you describe as love, I see as empathy.

 

You have described yourself, in the past, as a "spiritual" person and I'm a devout atheist so I think I may use more "earthly" (if that is the correct term) words to describe the same emotions.

[Radiomariner]

What I am tying to say is it's easy to love those close to you, family, friends and kids, especially grandkids. The hard bit is trying to extend love outside to others, even your enemy, really it's definition of what love is, I think love for family and friends also includes a separate emotion called affection, love doesn't have to include affection. I feel a love for the human race but they are nearly all unknown to me, some I undoubtedly will dislike, maybe intensely but that doesn't mean I have no love for them.

 

I think love is largely misunderstood and thought of as a nice cosy comfortable feeling but in reality is often painful and uncomfortable, doubting if you have done the best thing for someone and suffering some angst over it. Believe me I don't feel certain about anything in this world, maybe I come across as a bit arrogant but really that is far from the truth.

No, not arrogant. You are obviously in touch with your own feelings and emotions. The word "Love" unfortunately is greatly misused. For instance my kids used to "love" rasberry jelly.

[nb Innisfree]

I think we merely disagree on the words we use, yet have a similar attitude to life and people.

 

What you describe as love, I see as empathy.

 

You have described yourself, in the past, as a "spiritual" person and I'm a devout atheist so I think I may use more "earthly" (if that is the correct term) words to describe the same emotions.

 

Yes you're probably right, but I don't necessarily see love as a feeling whereas empathy is a feeling, someone may lack any empathy, due perhaps to a disorder such as psychopathy or some sort brain damage, but if that person goes through the actions of love then that is good enough, it's not so much what we feel but what we do.

[stickleback]

I don't have a television and don't want one. But I did go to my neighbours' yesterday and watched the Royal Wedding on theirs. And I loved it. The carriages and outriders were magnificent, the entire ceremonial thing I thought was wonderfully done and the crowds seemed so happy and enthusiastic.

 

Love the monarchy and long may it last. And one of the best bits? No Blair or Brown there!

[carlt]

if that person goes through the actions of love then that is good enough, it's not so much what we feel but what we do.

Really?

 

Having spent 5 years with someone who, quite convincingly, went through the actions of love but, I eventually discovered, was leading a completely separate existence (going through the actions of love with several other people) I think I'll stick with favouring the feelings over the actions.

[casper ghost]

I have still managed to avoid seeing any of the wedding, no interest what so ever, and as I don't work Fridays the bank holiday didn't help me either...

Gary

[carlt]

Someone stole the Royal Wedding supplement, out of my Guardian, today.

 

I feel my weekend is now, somehow, incomplete.

[casper ghost]

Someone stole the Royal Wedding supplement, out of my Guardian, today.

 

It wasn't me....

[carlt]

It wasn't me....

I imagine it was a Daily Express reader who bought all the papers today, to start a new shrine, but couldn't bring themselves to pay money for the Guardian or Independent.

[c c]

Have I just seen Prince William driving away from the Palace in a car with an illegal modification to the number plate? I wonder if he will get pulled up

 

If The Mall is officially closed, it is not a public road and so the Road Traffic Act will not apply.

[nb Innisfree]

Really?

 

Having spent 5 years with someone who, quite convincingly, went through the actions of love but, I eventually discovered, was leading a completely separate existence (going through the actions of love with several other people) I think I'll stick with favouring the feelings over the actions.

 

Ok I'll leave it there before I dig myself in deeper, sorry about your experience, but there are people who demonstrate love just by their actions and don't give or want any affection or even thanks just selflessly keep doing helpful things. I accept there are some who are not genuine, I've come across people who are genuine and otherwise with no clue in their behaviour as to which, that's all

[carlt]

Ok I'll leave it there before I dig myself in deeper, sorry about your experience, but there are people who demonstrate love just by their actions and don't give or want any affection or even thanks just selflessly keep doing helpful things.

and yet there are those who are unable to express their love, or demonstrate it, through their actions, such as my son, yet I know he loves me, and his immediate family.

 

I still think we are just interpreting love differently.

 

I reserve the word for my nearest and dearest and, despite doing my fair share of selfless acts, for strangers or even people I don't particularly like, I do not regard them as 'acts of love' merely doing what is right.

[tillergirl]

I'm not a Royalist (though I like to read of our monarchal history) Him Indoors is . He did'nt watch it (only because he was in bed having come off nights) I did with 2 of my 3 daughters who wanted to watch the occasion with people they cared about. Eldest daughter cleaned through her house - not interested at all. I was'nt bothered but I'm pleased I did watch it - William and Kate actually made me think that there is something human and natural in The Firm. Perhaps they have learned from past mistakes?

 

I wish them all the luck in the world same as I did someone at work who left to marry out of the area last week. They obviously think a great deal about each other and have overcome old fashioned ideas about who they should not/should be allowed to marry.

 

But whether we love them or hate them they actually brought over £800million into the economy yesteday. That can't be bad surely?

Edited April 30, 2011 by tillergirl

[Minos]

But whether we love them or hate them they actually brought over £800million into the economy yesteday. That can't be bad surely?

If that's an accurate figure, it's about 100 times the amount they cost us per year.

 

It's a typical behaviour of idealists to want to remove something that is effective and functional because it is 'off message.'

[carlt]

 

It's a typical behaviour of idealists to want to remove something that is effective and functional because it is 'off message.'

Is that meant to be as patronising as it sounds?

 

There is nothing idealistic about wanting a fair, democratic system.

[alan_fincher]

But whether we love them or hate them they actually brought over £800million into the economy yesteday. That can't be bad surely?

 

That statistic seems to be available quite a few month's sooner than these things usually are!

 

What is your source for it ?

[carlt]

 

But whether we love them or hate them they actually brought over £800million into the economy yesteday. That can't be bad surely?

Perhaps I should have sought out a less radical, lefty rag but this was the first link I came across:

 

Royal Wedding costs economy £5 billion

[Minos]

Is that meant to be as patronising as it sounds?

 

There is nothing idealistic about wanting a fair, democratic system.

I think that you have just given the very definition of idealism: "wanting."

 

Any set of ideas which expresses desires or goals is an ideal. The act of pursuing an ideal is called 'idealism.'

 

The problem with any kind of idealism is that it places a very small number of objectives at the pinnacle of the socio-economic model. Capitalism places money at the pinnacle, resulting in cruel, inhumane treatment of human beings. Socialism places human equality at the pinnacle, resulting in an economically unsustainable society. New Labour placed politically manufactured targets at the pinnacle, resulting in rampant bureaucratisation of our economy and the strangulation of every single public service.

 

Pursue any ideal and you will push a single objective to the pinnacle of your society's objectives, and the virtue or value of your objective immediately becomes irrelevant. What will then matter more than anything else will be the effects of your paradigm shift on society, and the impact of reducing the objective importance of all other activities.

 

An example of this has been in the news this week: doctors, engineers and scientists in Libya were kicked off their courses if they couldn't pass their exams on Col. Gaddafi's Little Green Book.

 

While I fully sympathise with anyone who envies and resents the privilege that royals are born into, I cannot disguise my contempt for anyone who thinks that the dissolution of the English monarchy can be achieved without negative effect on British society, our economy, our communities or our political stability. And when they reply with an argument to the effect that, "You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs," it is clear that my contempt is fully reciprocated.

 

I am not "for" any ideal. If anything, I am vehemently against idealism. People like to blame opposing ideologies for the world's problems, but not me. I blame idealism itself.

[carlt]

I think that you have just given the very definition of idealism: "wanting."

 

What utter tosh.

 

Wanting something despite recognising its possible drawbacks is not idealism.

 

Thinking a system based on fairytale weddings and ritualistic claptrap is somehow better for the economy is idealistic.

 

If this silliness is actually what our country relies on, to generate income, then we really are going down the pan.

 

Shutting down the country, costing the economy £6bn yet applauding because it made £800m in bunting and plastic flag sales (made in China) is just folly.

 

But apparently the dress was lovely.

 

 

While I fully sympathise with anyone who envies and resents the privilege that royals are born into,

More patronising rubbish that the Royalists fall back on.

 

I do not envy or resent the privilege that the royals are born into, I would hate it.

 

My reasons for wanting a fairer system are pragmatic, not idealistic.

 

I don't want the 'privilege' that royals have, I don't think anyone should have it.

[casper ghost]

There was no escaping it in the end, ITV2 just had a news bit in the middle of their late night film and it was about the wedding, so I couldn't avoid it . My daughter watched it live and said the best bits were, the ring didn't fit and some guard fell off his horse, they didn't show those bits on the news.....

Gary