Engineered Metal Products

[Phil Ambrose]

submarine sinks apparently

 

 

I thought they were supposed to?

[Gunna Do]

Okay. Build 20 Aluminium planks with a clear label on it saying "not suitable for use on boats or as a boarding device - the manufacturer can accept no responsibility if the device is misused in this way"

 

I'm sure most of us who have posted will buy one for er..er..decoration on our boat roofs.

 

Quite agree that this is the way around the nanny rules. I always found it amusing to read the notice on Garmin Chartplotters which says " NOT SUITABLE FOR NAVIGATION"...!!!

..and NO I do not use one on the cut, although I have seen them being used to find the nearest supermarket etc.

[Ally]

Ok,

 

So I've got a little engineering sideline make protection plates for off road cars.

 

What could be made and sold in numbers to the boat community?

 

We can laser and water cut and also bend and weld steel and Ally.

 

What do you need in the market place???

 

You can't bend and weld me!!! I'm not having it!!!!!

 

Seriously...can you work with brass at all? if so...I have a project for you..........

[carlt]

Good quality galvanised water cans

[PaddingtonBear]

Can I make a late plea for proper boat chimneys? I was talking to someone who should know yestrday and he said that there was no one making proper boat chimneys - either stove or engine although the engine pipe is not so important

[jake_crew]

Beware that anything aluminium will "walk" if left unattended if there are diddycoys about.

[Timleech]

Can I make a late plea for proper boat chimneys? I was talking to someone who should know yestrday and he said that there was no one making proper boat chimneys - either stove or engine although the engine pipe is not so important

 

There's nothing difficult (for those with the skills and kit) about making chimneys, the hard part is persuading the maker what is a 'proper' chimney.

 

Tim

[Guest wanted]

Beware that anything aluminium will "walk" if left unattended if there are diddycoys about.

 

or just theives?

[mayfly]

You can't bend and weld me!!! I'm not having it!!!!!

 

Seriously...can you work with brass at all? if so...I have a project for you..........

Has your monkey lost something

[PaddingtonBear]

I totally appreciate that Tim and since Dave Parrott has stopped making them there appears to be a total vacuum.....................unless you know any different I think that the big problem is that up to now most of the makers seemed to be doing it for love rather than a money making enterprise and so it was not sustainable (this appears to be a common theme with metal bashers). We had our stove chimney for our previous modern boat made in Ashton along with a fantastic chimney cowl for home but we live near Brighton so a bit far to just drop in

[LEO]

Can I make a late plea for proper boat chimneys? I was talking to someone who should know yestrday and he said that there was no one making proper boat chimneys - either stove or engine although the engine pipe is not so important

 

Hi,

 

Uxbridge Boat co have an excellent range of chimneys (home fabricated) and have made up a couple of bespoke 'flues' for me.

 

Also have some good engine pipes.

 

Hope you are well, pics of Chertsey out of the water impressive.

 

Leo

Edited February 12, 2010 by LEO

[Ally]

Has your monkey lost something

Nuts!....brass nuts of course!

[laser]

WOW!, many replies!, will ready them all now..... it might take a while!

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hi E M P

 

im also involved in an engineering company we offer a service to manufacturig companies also to anyone with an idea who wants to develop it into manufacture.all we ask is fag packet drawings and we do the rest, we have just helpted a joe public re invent a hammer .since these designs are not our property we are not liable i think the alluminium plant pot shelf for narrowboats roofs is a great idea if you feel you can not take it on board [ ex pun] we would love to or perhaps a finders fee ?

 

best of luck laser

[ditchcrawler]

I totally appreciate that Tim and since Dave Parrott has stopped making them there appears to be a total vacuum.....................unless you know any different I think that the big problem is that up to now most of the makers seemed to be doing it for love rather than a money making enterprise and so it was not sustainable (this appears to be a common theme with metal bashers). We had our stove chimney for our previous modern boat made in Ashton along with a fantastic chimney cowl for home but we live near Brighton so a bit far to just drop in

Micheal Pinnock makes chimneys, the only contact I have for him is via Face book

[rjasmith]

I suppose I really ought not to keep mentioning BS 8511 - especially as I don't go along with its insistence on a short length of insulated flue/chimney as a Code of Practice requirement from now on.

 

But maybe people who make boat chimneys will soon need to come up with a double skinned insulated version that meets BS 1856 etc (going to cost a lot more inevitably).

 

The new version of 8511 has gone away from requiring a section of household type insulated chimney as the first version did and suggests something can be made up provided it meets 1856. This would suggest that a trad style outer casing could be used with insulation and a stainless liner to meet the requirement.

 

Also of course the conventional roof collar can't be used if 8511 is followed and the insulated section has to continue below the roof level by at least 150mm - hence the need for more special bits that AFAIK don't yet exist for boats!

 

Mind you the final version of 8511 has got a splendid drafting cock up that I've spotted where it contradicts itself about the section below the roof level!

 

As for myself - I'm afraid I shall stick with the conventional steel flue pipe/collar/chimney set up and do the best I can with clearance to combustible bits inside the boat.

 

Richard

[NB Willawaw]

To be honest, I'm surprised anybody still builds anything for canal boats.

 

It seems that according to the consensus, chandlers overcharge and Ebay rules, engine spares should be bought from from the local motor factors, electronics should be bought as cheap as possible, everything should be made wherever possible by the boater with lots of free advice and any supplier who goes out of business should be referred to in a negative fashion for abandoning the sector.

 

I mean, really, is it any wonder ??

[Laurence Hogg]

To be honest, I'm surprised anybody still builds anything for canal boats.

 

It seems that according to the consensus, chandlers overcharge and Ebay rules, engine spares should be bought from from the local motor factors, electronics should be bought as cheap as possible, everything should be made wherever possible by the boater with lots of free advice and any supplier who goes out of business should be referred to in a negative fashion for abandoning the sector.

 

I mean, really, is it any wonder ??

 

So Brenmarl engineering who make the "Epping" are wasting their time, so is Boatmans Cabin and other brassware manufacturers who are still making a British product?? I really think you need more experience in and about our industry before relegating chandlery to the far east. Ebay doesnt rule, try buying a Epping off there or a chimney collar. Chandleries like Uxbridge Boat Centre should be encouraged and supported for what they do.

[Speedwheel]

So Brenmarl engineering who make the "Epping" are wasting their time, so is Boatmans Cabin and other brassware manufacturers who are still making a British product?? I really think you need more experience in and about our industry before relegating chandlery to the far east. Ebay doesnt rule, try buying a Epping off there or a chimney collar. Chandleries like Uxbridge Boat Centre should be encouraged and supported for what they do.

 

I think you might have taken Willawaws post the wrong way.

[Laurence Hogg]

I think you might have taken Willawaws post the wrong way.

 

No I havent taken it the wrong way at all. The first post stated

"If you are looking to do this as a volume cottage industry type venture, then there are a few things to be aware of.

 

If you sell items for profit, there are responsibilities concerning safety, being fit for purpose.

 

Modifying other peoples equipment can be fraught with danger.

 

The mass inland boating community don't tend to pay much for anything, generally speaking, so your pricing will have

to be super-competitive (i.e. low) if you want to sell a volume.

 

If you make something that is hard to get anywhere else, the chance is that there will be little demand for it, so you won't sell

many. If you make something that is very popular, the chances are that there will competition and the benchmark in the inland waterways

tends to be Ebay."

 

Hardly words of encouragment or the truth. At least group members put forward good suggestions. "Narrowboat chandlery" is a relativly new term, original narrow boat builders used off the shelf items from manufacturers catalogues. Only very few items were made for just narrowboats. When I started to gather together the basic items for "Boatmans Cabin Co" I took quite a while but our range back then was and is still the backbone of the specialised fabricated and cast fittings range, Midland Chandlers had the whole cast range copied in India and turned ourt rubbish and did not affect our production. We went on to produce the "Premiere " range, flourescent lights, worked with Alde to find a brass mushroom that could be approved for heaters and so on. Although I stopped making equipment a few years ago I am still in touch with the industry and are currently looking at re manufacture of some items using UK supplied parts. It is not now a "Cottage industry" and the market is not benchmarked by ebay. Several firms, ie Leesan and MC have a huge market that does not rely on the inland marine scene but helps support the part that does.

 

This was back in 1981 all British made, a far cry from some of the stuff around today.

Edited February 21, 2010 by Laurence Hogg