UK fined £32m Euros over use of Red Diesel In Private Pleasure Boats

[Tony1]

12 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

 

With the knowledge of upcoming legislation my boat was built with 3x fuel tanks (1 x 1000 litre and 2 x 900 litre) we also have a black water tank and a grey water tank (to comply with the 'Med' legislation that is apparently ever expanding)

 

That is a very impressive reserve of fuel.

If there's ever a zombie apocalypse I'm heading for your marina.

(Unless I've already been bitten by a zombie, in which case I'll be heading for the nearest 48 hour moorings to chomp on all of those slow moving elderly boaters. 

They are a bit chewy (allegedly), but at full chat I reckon they are about as a fast as your average 1980's George Romero zombie. I'm bound to bag a few of the blighters. 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2023 by Tony1

[peterboat]

7 minutes ago, Tony1 said:

 

That is a very impressive reserve of fuel.

If there's ever a zombie apocalypse I'm heading for your marina.

(Unless I've already been bitten by a zombie, in which case I'll be heading for the nearest 48 hour moorings to chomp on all of those slow moving elderly boaters. 

They are a bit chewy (allegedly), but at full chat I reckon they are about as a fast as your average 1980's George Romero zombie. I'm bound to bag a few of the blighters. 

 

 

Only you Tony

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

[GUMPY]

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

Why ?

If I had a motorhome I couldn't claim heating or power generation.

  

14 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Only you Tony

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

We heard you the first time

 

Edited October 4, 2023 by GUMPY
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[Tony1]

Just now, peterboat said:

Only you Tony

 

Let me be blunt Peter.

If I ever was an actual zombie, I would never have an ageist policy.

But I would be a practical zombie. If they stop to pick up that genny from the bank, I'm more than likely going to nab the old buggers.  

 

[peterboat]

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

No it needn't be difficult.

But in some people's case it could be an unnecessary expense.

 

It's rare I say the UK government had the best solution for trying to appease everybody. Just a shame the EU couldn't see it that way.

 

 

Or in certain cases, we accept there is no alternative to fossil fuels.

Canal boats being one example. 

 

HVO is a difficult one.

But yes, until the world can be trusted (which it cant) you have to question where your HVO comes from.

It can be fine. But it also may not be.

What about the domestic heat supplied by the engine?

That part of the fuel can be red, or at least, rebated fuel.

 

Hence why the 60 40 should have been a fair compromise.

 

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

12 minutes ago, GUMPY said:

Why ?

If I had a motorhome I couldn't claim heating or power generation.

  

We heard you the first time

 

Don't know what was going on it wouldn't submit so I pressed send a few times 

[JungleJames]

2 hours ago, peterboat said:

 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

Wow, so good you said it about a thousand times!!

 

Unfortunately your post doesn't make sense.

It basically says:

"There is an alternative but there isn't".

 

It restricts winter cruising. So no alternative.

Then what happens if you want to cruise 8/ 9hrs a day everyday in summer? On top of all your domestic electricity. Cooking? Remember, gas is a no no if we are to do away with fossil fuels.

Heating the boat and hot water? 

 

By the time you've gone to the expense of fitting a diesel tank and a generator for winter cruising and domestic power, and a boiler for heating, well, you may as well just have a conventionally powered boat.

The engine can be plumbed into the heating circuit, thus reducing the hours put on the boiler when cruising.

[peterboat]

5 minutes ago, JungleJames said:

Wow, so good you said it about a thousand times!!

 

Unfortunately your post doesn't make sense.

It basically says:

"There is an alternative but there isn't".

 

It restricts winter cruising. So no alternative.

Then what happens if you want to cruise 8/ 9hrs a day everyday in summer? On top of all your domestic electricity. Cooking? Remember, gas is a no no if we are to do away with fossil fuels.

Heating the boat and hot water? 

 

By the time you've gone to the expense of fitting a diesel tank and a generator for winter cruising and domestic power, and a boiler for heating, well, you may as well just have a conventionally powered boat.

The engine can be plumbed into the heating circuit, thus reducing the hours put on the boiler when cruising.

My engine was plumbed into the heater circuit,  now it's the generator, things are changing license fees cost of diesel going through the roof and climate crisis,  in the end we are only having fun, its not critical that we go cruising! It's not like farmers who need red diesel to farm the land, we are the leisure industry and not important 

[JungleJames]

2 hours ago, GUMPY said:

Why ?

If I had a motorhome I couldn't claim heating or power generation.

  

 

Don't ask me. Ask the government.

Boaters can use rebated fuel for domestic purposes.

The EU never had a problem with that either.

 

Hence my comment that the EU rule seems to forget this.

They let you use rebated fuel for domestic, but then forget the main propulsion engine can be used for domestic.

 

3 minutes ago, peterboat said:

My engine was plumbed into the heater circuit,  now it's the generator, things are changing license fees cost of diesel going through the roof and climate crisis,  in the end we are only having fun, its not critical that we go cruising! It's not like farmers who need red diesel to farm the land, we are the leisure industry and not important 

And there we go. By the time you go to the expense of diesel tank, generator and boiler, you may as well just have a normal engine.

 

I never use the argument that it is only leisure so doesn't matter.

What is the point in us being born if we can't enjoy ourselves?

 

Where does the argument stop?

 

Humans arent necessary. The world existed before we did. So let's nuke the world and let it continue without humans. No more emissions.

 

No. Boating exists, so the answer is not to ban it or restrict it.

A little bit of diesel doesn't hurt anybody if there is no sensible alternative, and short of filling the tow path up with plug in areas, there isn't an alternative for some people.

 

If people want to try what you have done, fantastic. Go for it.

But others won't be able to.

 

There are far easier ways to reduce the world's emissions.

[GUMPY]

6 hours ago, JungleJames said:

Boaters can use rebated fuel for domestic purposes.

The EU never had a problem with that either.

 

Hence my comment that the EU rule seems to forget this.

They let you use rebated fuel for domestic, but then forget the main propulsion engine can be used for domestic.

Domestic fuel in a separate system can be rebated. If you don't have a seperate domestic system then it should be full tax which is what the EU said.

[JungleJames]

6 minutes ago, GUMPY said:

Domestic fuel in a separate system can be rebated. If you don't have a seperate domestic system then it should be full tax which is what the EU said.

Which is complete and utter bonkers.

Perhaps both fuel tanks connected to the main engine, with valves throttled just enough to give the right amount if rebated and non rebated.

 

Really though, it's bonkers.

You can have rebated domestic fuel so long as you jump through unnecessary hoops.

This is the trouble when you introduce unneccsary rules.

[GUMPY]

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

Which is complete and utter bonkers.

Perhaps both fuel tanks connected to the main engine, with valves throttled just enough to give the right amount if rebated and non rebated.

 

Really though, it's bonkers.

You can have rebated domestic fuel so long as you jump through unnecessary hoops.

This is the trouble when you introduce unneccsary rules.

It should be:

No rebate on fuel used in main engine.

Rebate on fuel used in seperate domestic heating.

Is that simple enough for you🤔

[David Mack]

13 hours ago, JungleJames said:

One of the benefits of having twin tanks.

You can use Kerosene for heating.

And how do you get kerosene delivered to the boat? Domestic heating oil suppliers usually have a minimum delivery of 500 litres, and most boats wouldn't have a tank that large.

Edited October 5, 2023 by David Mack

[Momac]

There was never going to be the possibility of both red and white diesel being available at the waterside except exceptionally , due to cost.

The use of red  for construction was banned in April 2022 so demand must now be much reduced.

I dare say we will end up using white diesel eventually.

 

 

 

[JungleJames]

1 hour ago, GUMPY said:

It should be:

No rebate on fuel used in main engine.

Rebate on fuel used in seperate domestic heating.

Is that simple enough for you🤔

To be honest, I don't care what the EU rule says. I don't know whether rebated is allowed to touch the main engine, or if it just has to be a separate tank.

 

All I know is it is bonkers. If domestic can use rebated, then it shouldn't matter how the domestic power is produced.

We came up with a good solution. The EU got stubborn.

1 hour ago, David Mack said:

And how do you get kerosene delivered to the boat? Domestic heating oil suppliers usually have a minimum delivery of 500 litres, and most boats wouldn't have a tank that large.

Kerosene is possible in smaller quantities, and that's assuming no marinas or yards sell it.

You make out as if boaters don't use Kerosene. Some do.

[David Mack]

1 hour ago, JungleJames said:

 

Kerosene is possible in smaller quantities, and that's assuming no marinas or yards sell it.

You make out as if boaters don't use Kerosene. Some do.

Yes I know that. But smaller quantities generally cost a bit more than domestic heating oil, so there is little if any price advantage over using diesel. If there are boatyards dispensing kerosene directly to boats, perhaps you could list a few for future reference.

[ditchcrawler]

I was going to run my Dickinson heater on heating oil if we had lost red, I have a big tank at home. At the moment I am paying 79p + 5% vat red is a little over £1 at the moment I think

[JungleJames]

49 minutes ago, David Mack said:

Yes I know that. But smaller quantities generally cost a bit more than domestic heating oil, so there is little if any price advantage over using diesel. If there are boatyards dispensing kerosene directly to boats, perhaps you could list a few for future reference.

I said assuming no marinas sell it.

So I don't know if they do or not.

 

But 98p per litre for Kerosene seems pretty good to me.

Drive a few miles to pick it up yourself, so delivery costs are reasonable.

 

Benefits outweigh just cost though, so even if the price was the same.

[IanD]

14 hours ago, peterboat said:

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

There is an alternative I do it electric made by solar, thing is restricts winter cruising 

Don't know what was going on it wouldn't submit so I pressed send a few times 

If you're not on the last page of a thread and you press send it *does* get submitted, but you don't see it because you're not looking at the page it appears on... 😉

[Alan de Enfield]

3 hours ago, David Mack said:

But smaller quantities generally cost a bit more than domestic heating oil,

 

According to my domestic heating oil supplier, domestic heating oil IS Kerosene

 

Kerosene is the most widely used fuel used in domestic central heating systems in the UK, so we often refer to it as home heating oil or domestic heating oil. It’s chosen for its winter performance, affordability, and because it offers a cleaner and more efficient burn compared to diesel.

 

Guide to Heating Oil - Understand Heating Fuels | Crown Oil

[peterboat]

3 hours ago, IanD said:

If you're not on the last page of a thread and you press send it *does* get submitted, but you don't see it because you're not looking at the page it appears on... 😉

That's a glitch if ever I saw one and I saw it lots and lots of times

[David Mack]

18 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

According to my domestic heating oil supplier, domestic heating oil IS Kerosene

 

Kerosene is the most widely used fuel used in domestic central heating systems in the UK, so we often refer to it as home heating oil or domestic heating oil. It’s chosen for its winter performance, affordability, and because it offers a cleaner and more efficient burn compared to diesel.

 

Guide to Heating Oil - Understand Heating Fuels | Crown Oil

Agreed.

But unless you bring it from home as @ditchcrawler suggests there is no cost advantage over diesel.

For example TFM Superstore* at Penkridge will sell you Kerosene from the pump at £1.09 per litre or £31.90 for a 20 litre container. At those prices you might as well burn diesel delivered straight to the boat.

https://www.tfmsuperstore.co.uk/products/kerosene-per-lt/

 

*A reasonably priced outlet not that far from the canal. Other suppliers charge much more for 20 or 25 litre containers of 'emergency' heating oil for domestic users who have run out.

[JungleJames]

9 hours ago, David Mack said:

Agreed.

But unless you bring it from home as @ditchcrawler suggests there is no cost advantage over diesel.

For example TFM Superstore* at Penkridge will sell you Kerosene from the pump at £1.09 per litre or £31.90 for a 20 litre container. At those prices you might as well burn diesel delivered straight to the boat.

https://www.tfmsuperstore.co.uk/products/kerosene-per-lt/

 

*A reasonably priced outlet not that far from the canal. Other suppliers charge much more for 20 or 25 litre containers of 'emergency' heating oil for domestic users who have run out.

As mentioned, 98p per litre do you?

 

If in the Brum area that is.

 

Also as mentioned, even if it is the same price as red, it has other benefits, so still worth it.

[Alan de Enfield]

9 hours ago, David Mack said:

TFM Superstore* at Penkridge will sell you Kerosene from the pump at £1.09 per litre or £31.90 for a 20 litre container.

 

Are you sure ?

 

20 litres at £1.09 per litre would be £21.80.

Yet, they charge £31.90.

[Momac]

19 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Are you sure ?

 

20 litres at £1.09 per litre would be £21.80.

Yet, they charge £31.90.

The box is not free

[Alan de Enfield]

2 hours ago, MartynG said:

The box is not free

 

You also missed that the polythene container is actually sold containing 25 litres - not 20 litres as suggested.