Bigtinasoup Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 How doo all. I'm new to the forum but not to boats. I have grown up on them. And now after a savage medical discharge from the military me and my wife are living aboard. Any who, i was hoping someone could tell me about the hulks scuttled in the collapsed salt mines Middlewich way. I have always admired them and just curious if anyone has some solid gen and even pictures? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bigtinasoup said: How doo all. I'm new to the forum but not to boats. I have grown up on them. And now after a savage medical discharge from the military me and my wife are living aboard. Any who, i was hoping someone could tell me about the hulks scuttled in the collapsed salt mines Middlewich way. I have always admired them and just curious if anyone has some solid gen and even pictures? Well the top flash in your photo is now a marina and the only hulks I know of in the area are down on the River Weaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtinasoup Posted September 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, ditchcrawler said: Well the top flash in your photo is now a marina and the only hulks I know of in the area are down on the River Weaver Ahhhhhh. That's good for the cut but bad for my hulk endeavour. Cheers bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bigtinasoup said: Ahhhhhh. That's good for the cut but bad for my hulk endeavour. Cheers bud. I can remember there use to be one in Croxton Flash but that is not there now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtinasoup Posted September 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: I can remember there use to be one in Croxton Flash but that is not there now Croxton flash. I'll have a look-see when we pass. Cheers again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bigtinasoup said: Croxton flash. I'll have a look-see when we pass. Cheers again. Don't try going in, there is a stone bank across just below the surface, some older guide books say you can wind there. Don't try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtinasoup Posted September 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 I won't be taking the narrowboat in there. We have a wee tender. However, my dad has told me that a chap from Runcorn had a load out few years back. So it may just be a pleasure paddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2714415 Croxton Flash north-west of Middlewich, Cheshire Many shallow "lagoons" in this area, locally called flashes, have been caused by subsidence due to salt mining in the ground below. Here, Croxton Flash was beside the Trent and Mersey Canal, but has now merged with it from the right. The wide pool opposite the tow path is privately owned, and should not be crossed in a narrowboat. It will go aground on submerged remains of the canal bank. The sunken boat was in Billinge Green Flash, I think it was called Bream. It has been removed after years of slowly rotting. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2718581 Narrowboat graveyard, Northwich, Cheshire Shortly after nationalisation, many redundant or abandoned narrowboats were burned and/or sunk here by British Waterways, in an attempt to prevent their re-use or restoration. The grisly remains were still visible in 1979, but, remarkably, some boats were actually recovered and restored. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/519877 Edited September 1, 2018 by Ray T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 A couple I took in the flashes back in the late eighties, They've all gone now, and some restored. Note the Bridgewater tug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtinasoup Posted September 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 Cheers guys! That's ace gen! Glad some have been saved!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 38 minutes ago, Derek R. said: A couple I took in the flashes back in the late eighties, They've all gone now, and some restored. Note the Bridgewater tug. http://www.steamershistorical.co.uk/steamers_bridgewater_tugs.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 There's a wooden motor at Alvecote that came from Billinge Green , recovered in the 80's. She's looking for a sympathetic owner, having reached the last chance saloon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Bigtinasoup said: I won't be taking the narrowboat in there. We have a wee tender. However, my dad has told me that a chap from Runcorn had a load out few years back. So it may just be a pleasure paddle. These boats were raised in the summer of 1983, so more than 'a few years back' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Ray T said: The sunken boat was in Billinge Green Flash, I think it was called Bream. It has been removed after years of slowly rotting. This is in fact the exFellows, Morton and Clayton Ltd. wooden motor BRILL (completed August 1933), well the stern end anyway 2 hours ago, billh said: There's a wooden motor at Alvecote that came from Billinge Green , recovered in the 80's. She's looking for a sympathetic owner, having reached the last chance saloon. This is the exFellows, Morton and Clayton Ltd. wooden motor CLEE (completed July 1947) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 Thanks Pete I always get my Bream's amd Brill's mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtinasoup Posted September 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 hours ago, billh said: There's a wooden motor at Alvecote that came from Billinge Green , recovered in the 80's. She's looking for a sympathetic owner, having reached the last chance saloon. Do tell me more..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 hours ago, billh said: There's a wooden motor at Alvecote that came from Billinge Green , recovered in the 80's. She's looking for a sympathetic owner, having reached the last chance saloon. 9 minutes ago, Bigtinasoup said: Do tell me more..... 1 hour ago, pete harrison said: This is the exFellows, Morton and Clayton Ltd. wooden motor CLEE (completed July 1947) Tadah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jess-- Posted September 2, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 14 hours ago, pete harrison said: These boats were raised in the summer of 1983, so more than 'a few years back' that would fit with the time of these slides I scanned, from other slides in the same batch the area is right but all I had for a date was 80-85 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Upon comment on the dates, It must have been our cruise in 1983 that my two shots were taken, so early eighties rather than late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivergate Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just now, pete harrison said: Tadah Clee and Clent have always had something 'right ' about them to my eye anyway.... any recent pictures out there..? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 hours ago, rivergate said: Clee and Clent have always had something 'right ' about them to my eye anyway.... any recent pictures out there..? I have no recent photographs of CLENT but I am aware that it is currently on the bank at Braunston undergoing its second restoration (first restored by Malcolm Braine, Norton Canes, launched July 1980). I have not seen CLEE for a while but the last time I did it looked ready for some renovations, and this appears to be supported in post 12 of this thread. The great thing about old Joshers is that you can ignore them and buy a Grand Union Canal Carrying Company Ltd. boat instead 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtinasoup Posted September 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, pete harrison said: I have no recent photographs of CLENT but I am aware that it is currently on the bank at Braunston undergoing its second restoration (first restored by Malcolm Braine, Norton Canes, launched July 1980). I have not seen CLEE for a while but the last time I did it looked ready for some renovations, and this appears to be supported in post 12 of this thread. The great thing about old Joshers is that you can ignore them and buy a Grand Union Canal Carrying Company Ltd. boat instead Old Josher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, Bigtinasoup said: Old Josher? 'Josher' is a nickname for a narrow boat built by or for Fellows, Morton and Clayton Ltd., Birmingham who were a large independent canal carrier that operated from July 1889 to December 1948. They were still commissioning new narrow boats right up to the end of trading, but the method of construction and overall dimensions limited their carrying capacity especially when compared to the more modern Grand Union Canal Carrying Company Ltd. narrow boats that were undoubtedly the 'Rolls Royce' of narrow boats. Most of the 'Joshers' that continued to carry with 'British Waterways' were soon upgraded to the modern standards of the Grand Union Canal Carrying Company Ltd. narrow boats, being fitted with such basics as electrics and a cabin porthole. Some misguided enthusiasts prefer the proportions of a 'Josher' and consider their lines to be elegant, and when combined with a period Bolinder engine (basically a large diameter pipe with a bucket going up and down within it) are considered to have character. I can't help feeling you already know this 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 On 01/09/2018 at 18:15, billh said: There's a wooden motor at Alvecote that came from Billinge Green , recovered in the 80's. She's looking for a sympathetic owner, having reached the last chance saloon. For the sake of clarity, I was NOT referring to the fine inn across the cut at Alvecote as "the last chance saloon". ? The boat that Pete correctly identifies is in a fragile, parlous state but was floating ok earlier in the year.The biggest problem is moving it to somewhere to work on , craning out/move by road/ moving through locks to anywhere in one piece is fraught with difficulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnboy770 Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 Taken around early 80's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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