MtB Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Onto my (very short) 'Ignore' list. Ah, thats better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-H71 Posted March 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 So this is not one of the things I can save money on. I guess I can look for a used calorifier or get a new one. I just need to save wherever I can. Thanks for the replies, sometimes I just need telling..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasya Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Steve-H71 If you like working by your hands, you can buy small elecric household water heater like ~20 liters volume and throw away the electric heater. Instead of him you need to install a copper spiral from the plumbing store or air conditioner store. The spiral you need connect to engine cooling system. It will be safe! Sorry for my language, english is not my native. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Steve-H71 said: I guess I can look for a used calorifier You will be buying 'trouble'. Why is it for sale ? Boats would very rarely have a calorifier removed. Boat are even less likely to be 'scrapped / stripped'. As noted above, copper calorifiers are notorious for splitting /corroding and leaking (particularly around the big thread where the immersion heater enters) which is why many boats these days use Stainless Steel ones (boat sized calorifiers - not domestic ones) as per the one in my boat - shown in post number 16 Edit to add link to supplier : http://www.bainbridgemarine.com/Variants.aspx?Item=PRD-101017 Edited March 18, 2017 by Alan de Enfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Smith Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) I think I paid £250 for my twin coil calorifier from copper cylinders direct on ebay, £246.75 to be exact just looked it up. Neil Edited March 18, 2017 by Neil Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 11 hours ago, ianali said: Ah, didn't realise was a house topic, sorry. It started as a boat topic so it isn't a house topic......for some reason MtB seems to be grumpy....like most plumbers who will have you believe it's a dark art......and get grumpy when people realise it's not tricky at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mross Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Any fool can do his own plumbing? Lots do and find out that they have installed something that doesn't work properly or is a BSS failure. Professional plumbers are paid for experience and familiarity with the regs. Even more so when they have to be accredited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) On 18/03/2017 at 10:55, frangar said: It started as a boat topic so it isn't a house topic......for some reason MtB seems to be grumpy....like most plumbers who will have you believe it's a dark art......and get grumpy when people realise it's not tricky at all That's not why I'm grumpy. Plumbing is easy. Very easy indeed, in fact. I get grumpy when people barge in with irrelevant comment that shows they haven't been following the thread. I find this a poor show, bad internet etiquette/manners. Edited March 18, 2017 by Mike the Boilerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) Rather than stump up £500 on a splitty copper calorifier, my suggestion is to spend half the money on a nice reliable D61 Morco instantaneous water heater. Dead easy to fit, Franger says so! Edited March 18, 2017 by Mike the Boilerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smileypete Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) On 17/03/2017 at 12:28, Steve-H71 said: The other question I have is calorifiers, damn they are hexpensivo. I am like most on a tight budget. I understand why you can't really use a domestic cylinder apart from size due to the pressure and the modern ss domestic tanks are no better price wise. Now I've done a fair bit of tinkering and fetteling in my time making chimeras from gas cylinders as well as inventing versions of things I can't afford to fit my needs etc. I also understand the process of purging the cylinders of gas and fumes etc. Could I. .. drill a hole the side/top of the gas cylinder for an emersion heater fitting and then 6 x normal 15mm holes and then have a long narrow pair of coils that will fit in the 2.5'' hole and connect to 'proper fittings' on the 15mm holes and then the cold in and hot out as normal and then use an emersion heater blanking plate to close the cylinder. I would obviously fit a pressure relief valve on the hot out feed so no issues with over pressurisation. Obviously the gas cylinder is rated at a far higher pressure rating and a 12kg cylinder would be a perfect size. (The cylinder is from a company that no longer exists so no ownership issues). Do you guys that know see any other issues with this idea, I would obviously insulate the cylinder and while open I would coat the inside of the cylinder with a suitable paint/coating. What capacity in litres are you looking for, what's the min and max you can go to? Edited March 18, 2017 by smileypete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubby Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) I have a 50 / 60 litre upright calorifier you can buy at a sensible price from me if you want one . Twin coil , no immersion boss . The lack of immersion boss is the reason i removed it . It is in perfect working condition . PM me if you want more details and a price . My price will not be a mickey - take . Tank is currently located in Essex . Up to you . cheers Edited March 18, 2017 by chubby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 4 hours ago, mross said: Any fool can do his own plumbing? Lots do and find out that they have installed something that doesn't work properly or is a BSS failure. Professional plumbers are paid for experience and familiarity with the regs. Even more so when they have to be accredited. I'm afraid I've fixed too many bodges from people purporting to be professional plumbers both on land and boats to agree with this....just because you have a bit of paper doesn't mean you are good at your job I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 On 18/03/2017 at 22:32, frangar said: I'm afraid I've fixed too many bodges from people purporting to be professional plumbers both on land and boats to agree with this....just because you have a bit of paper doesn't mean you are good at your job I'm afraid. Seconded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, frangar said: I'm afraid I've fixed too many bodges from people purporting to be professional plumbers both on land and boats to agree with this....just because you have a bit of paper doesn't mean you are good at your job I'm afraid. So very true. The house I currently live in was owned by a "professional " plumber. In the first year I lived here I fixed more leaks than in the 30 years at my previous house. He had also recently fitted a new boiler with the motorised valves for the heating and hot water plumbed in series, so that you couldn't have hot water unless the heating was also on... Edited March 19, 2017 by cuthound To add the last sentance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) On 19/03/2017 at 08:23, cuthound said: So very true. The house I currently live in was owned by a "professional " plumber. In the first year I lived here I fixed more leaks than in the 30 years at my previous house. He had also recently fitted a new boiler with the motorised valves for the heating and hot water plumbed in series, so that you couldn't have hot water unless the heating was also on... Yes it's quite shocking what I see sometimes. I blame the teachers who steer the 'academically less able ' students into the building industry, still believing it is a manual skill so the plank stupid will make good plumbers. However these days a small amount of brain power is required to do the job correctly, as your tale illustrates. Trouble is though, anyone capable of doing plumbing design correctly (as opposed to just nailing the pipes together), tends to gravitate to better things. Edited March 19, 2017 by Mike the Boilerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mross Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 How did you become a plumber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 On 19/03/2017 at 17:26, mross said: How did you become a plumber? I left my brain by the door as I went into the exam room... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cereal tiller Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: I left my brain by the door as I went into the exam room... They could be still using it as a doorstop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 On 19/03/2017 at 21:18, cereal tiller said: They could be still using it as a doorstop? No it's not big enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cereal tiller Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: No it's not big enough... Was trying not to suggest that,oh well.....must be a density thing Edited March 19, 2017 by cereal tiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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