Boat hauliers

[blackrose]

If there are any boat hauliers on the forum, what would be the approximate price difference between taking a 57' x 12', 32 tonne boat out of the water at Evesham on the River Avon or Saul junction on the G&S and putting it back in the water somewhere on the Nene near Northampton, or taking it out of the water somewhere on the GU near Northampton and putting it back in the water on the Nene.

 

Please send me a PM with approximate prices for both indicating whether this includes cranage or whether I have to organise this myself. If there's no price difference between the two haul out locations just let me know. Thanks.

Edited March 4, 2016 by blackrose

[haggis]

Might be worth a call to Ray Bowern who does a lot of boat transporting. I don't have his number to hand but Streethay Wharf will be able to give it to you

 

 

Haggis

[Southern Star]

If there are any boat hauliers on the forum, what would be the approximate price difference between taking a 57' x 12', 32 tonne boat out of the water at Evesham on the River Avon or Saul junction on the G&S and putting it back in the water somewhere on the Nene near Northampton, or taking it out of the water somewhere on the GU near Northampton and putting it back in the water on the Nene.

 

 

Not cheap, you are well into abnormal load territory there.

[Leisure boater]

Your in the area of at least 3 companies. MJT Crane Hire Ltd (Tukeys) ABA Cranes and Ray Bowen. All 3 are well experianced.

But as Southern Star says at 12ft beam your into abnormal load.

[blackrose]

Thanks for the contacts. That's ok, I've been abnormal my whole life.

[Leisure boater]

I've used MJT and ABA in the past never messed around let them use there own lorry and crane. That way you have no problems with either letting you down one way or the other. Normally they turn up load the boat on the lorry and the crane follows the lorry and offloads.

[blackrose]

It's really just whether they have the cranes to lift 32 tonnes, plus even if they have their own cranes presumably you still need to pay the yard?

[Southern Star]

It's really just whether they have the cranes to lift 32 tonnes

I suppose that's something to ask the crane operator, although with a crane a lot depends on how close it can get to the lift. Have you had it weighed before, 32 tonnes seems a lot to me even given the dimensions?

[RLWP]

32 tonnes seems a lot to me even given the dimensions?

 

It does.

 

What draft are you Mike?

 

Richard

[Leisure boater]

One way or the other you will have to pay something to the 2 boat yards! The 3 companys I quoted probably allready know the boat yards and could well advise you on which to use.

32 tons usually needs at least an 80 ton crane probably more depending on reach.

[blackrose]

I suppose that's something to ask the crane operator, although with a crane a lot depends on how close it can get to the lift. Have you had it weighed before, 32 tonnes seems a lot to me even given the dimensions?

No, I've just calculated the displacement.

 

It does.

 

What draft are you Mike?

 

Richard

2'

I will do another displacement calculation as my water tank is still empty for repainting and so the bow is no longer 2' draught.

[RLWP]

No, I've just calculated the displacement.

 

2'

I will do another displacement calculation as my water tank is still empty for repainting and so the bow is no longer 2' draught.

 

Well, based on what I think Tawny weighs, I did some rough sums.

 

I think you are about right

 

Richard

[Bunny]

62 ft narrow boat and she weighs 23 tons . Mind you I do have a large set of ageing Le Creuset . Had to re- ballast her when we moved on . Bunny

Edited March 5, 2016 by Bunny

[FadeToScarlet]

 

Well, based on what I think Tawny weighs, I did some rough sums.

 

I think you are about right

 

Richard

I think so too- [4m * 12m (to take into account the pointy bits)] * 2/3

 

Very rough sums!

[blackrose]

I think I based my calculation on 17.37m length x 3.65m beam x 0.61m draught x 0.8 to account for the pointy ends = 30.93m3 water displacement or nearly 31 metric tonnes (If anyone is unaware 1m3 of water weighs approx 1 metric tonne so using displacement of water is the easiest way to calculate the weight of your boat - unless you happen to have a crane). A lot depends on what factor you use to account for the pointy ends of the boat - not sure how I came up with 32 tonnes before? Perhaps I used 0.85 as the factor but that comes out as nearly 33 tonnes. Even if I use 0.75 it comes out as 29 tonnes.

 

I just tried slightly a different method: 12m (cabin length) x 3.65 x 0.61 = 26.71 tonnes. Then 5.37m (combined length of bow and stern) x 3.65 x 0.61 ÷ 2 (to account for bow and stern shape) = 5.97 tonnes. So 26.71 tonnes + 5.97 tonnes = 32.68 tonnes.

 

Anyway, whatever the true weight it's a big, heavy boat.

 

Edit: I just spoke to Mark Tuckey on the phone and to move the boat from Evesham to Blackthorne marina on the Nene he's giving me a ballpark figure of about £2600 + vat. Plus about £100 at either end for the yard fees. It's a lot of money but then you've got to deduct what it would cost to move it to the area by water: Fuel - I reckon about £400 for the 3 week journey (I spent about £300 on fuel from Old Windsor to Bidford-on-Avon on the way up here and that took 2 weeks), plus pilots fees for the Bristol channel £180, plus mooring fees in Portishead and Bristol £30 each, plus the CRT and then the EA licence for the Thames £200? plus all the time and energy involved in moving it by water in a limited time. So I reckon a move by water would cost the best part of £900 - call it a grand. Plus the fact of course that I'd still be on the wrong side of the pinchpoint between the GU and the Nene when I eventually arrived at Northampton!

Edited March 5, 2016 by blackrose

[Peter X]

The unknown here, unless you asked but didn't post the answer, is what would it cost you to crane out somewhere on the GU, move a shorter distance then crane in on the Nene? No doubt the crane costs would be the same, but both the abnormal load and the crane following it would have a much shorter distance to drive, which should be a saving. Perhaps that saving might be about the same as what you'd otherwise spend on fuel and other costs moving the boat?

 

Then the question you have to ask yourself would be what cost do you put on your time? If you're limited by annual holidays so it's hard to find a few weeks to do the move, and/or you can't get crew to help, then the cost is very real and a lorry all the way is a no-brainer. But it you have the time and would enjoy the K&A, Thames and GU, with someone to do the locks and all those pesky swing and lift bridges on the K&A for you, the cost is negative.

[LEO]

Hi,

 

Sounds a lot - but not really, if you had to move houses, factor in estate agent's fees, survey and mortgage costs,Solicitor's fees, removal costs and general problems - it sounds cheap..

 

Good Luck, Tuckeys did a good job for me.

 

L

[blackrose]

The unknown here, unless you asked but didn't post the answer, is what would it cost you to crane out somewhere on the GU, move a shorter distance then crane in on the Nene? No doubt the crane costs would be the same, but both the abnormal load and the crane following it would have a much shorter distance to drive, which should be a saving. Perhaps that saving might be about the same as what you'd otherwise spend on fuel and other costs moving the boat?

 

Then the question you have to ask yourself would be what cost do you put on your time? If you're limited by annual holidays so it's hard to find a few weeks to do the move, and/or you can't get crew to help, then the cost is very real and a lorry all the way is a no-brainer. But it you have the time and would enjoy the K&A, Thames and GU, with someone to do the locks and all those pesky swing and lift bridges on the K&A for you, the cost is negative.

 

I did ask Mark Tuckey. I didn't get a figure as he wasn't giving me any formal quotations, but he said that getting the boat nearer by water probably wouldn't make much difference to the overall cost. So when you factor in the costs of moving by water which I outlined above then at least for a move to the Nene I think going by road all the way is a no-brainer.

 

My plan is to start the new job at the beginning of April, rent a cheap room somewhere in Northampton during the week for the first couple of months and come back to the boat at weekends. This will allow me to make sure I like the job and that they like me while looking around the area for a mooring. It seems like the most sensible plan.

 

I did enjoy the Thames, K&A, G&S, Bristol channel, Severn and Avon on the way up here but doing it by myself was hard work. People often say they want to come and help but I find that few have time themselves because of their own commitments. If I find a mooring on the GU and I have time then I'll do the trip by water.

Hi,

 

Sounds a lot - but not really, if you had to move houses, factor in estate agent's fees, survey and mortgage costs,Solicitor's fees, removal costs and general problems - it sounds cheap..

 

Good Luck, Tuckeys did a good job for me.

 

L

 

Thanks

Edited March 5, 2016 by blackrose

[Leisure boater]

Edit: I just spoke to Mark Tuckey on the phone and to move the boat from Evesham to Blackthorne marina on the Nene he's giving me a ballpark figure of about £2600 + vat. Plus about £100 at either end for the yard fees. It's a lot of money but then you've got to deduct what it would cost to move it to the area by water: Fuel - I reckon about £400 for the 3 week journey (I spent about £300 on fuel from Old Windsor to Bidford-on-Avon on the way up here and that took 2 weeks), plus pilots fees for the Bristol channel £180, plus mooring fees in Portishead and Bristol £30 each, plus the CRT and then the EA licence for the Thames £200? plus all the time and energy involved in moving it by water in a limited time. So I reckon a move by water would cost the best part of £900 - call it a grand. Plus the fact of course that I'd still be on the wrong side of the pinchpoint between the GU and the Nene when I eventually arrived at Northampton!

To be fair I expected it to be higher than that being a 'fatty'. Sounds a reasonable deal to me as your going to have a lorry with a trombone trailer a 80 to 100 ton crane and escort van, at least 3 people for a whole day.

[blackrose]

To be fair I expected it to be higher than that being a 'fatty'. Sounds a reasonable deal to me as your going to have a lorry with a trombone trailer a 80 to 100 ton crane and escort van, at least 3 people for a whole day.

 

Well Mark's figures were ballpark so I dare say it might end up a bit higher.

 

What's a trombone trailer? I have images of a brass band on the back of a lorry...

Edited March 5, 2016 by blackrose

[Leisure boater]

 

Well Mark's figures were ballpark so I dare say it might end up a bit higher.

 

What's a trombone trailer? I have images of a brass band on the back of a lorry...

A trailer which will streach from 40ft to 60ft or more to carry long loads, (Tukey has one, expensive bit of kit to buy) as your boat is 57ft it will not sit on a 40ft trailer due to the overhang Southern Star will know the exact overhang allowed better than me, but I'll be suprised if its 17ft!

http://www.mjtcranes.co.uk/transport/tuckeys/ this is it.

Edited March 5, 2016 by Leisure boater

[Peter X]

Blackrose, if you do end up finding a mooring on the GU and doing the trip there by water in June/July, that's what Crew Swap is for.

I could well be interested to crew for all or part of the journey, depending on what else I might have committed to by then, and there are others on the forum who might too, for example RevCedd and The Boater.

[Southern Star]

 

 

 

What's a trombone trailer? I have images of a brass band on the back of a lorry...

A trailer which looks pretty much like any other flatbed trailer when not used in anger, but which can be extended using a telescopic centre section to carry overlength loads without the load overhanging the trailer.

 

[johnmoly]

Haulage estimates are usually costed on depot, where the vehicle is based, back to depot. So it won't matter how far the 'load' has to travel.

[Southern Star]

Haulage estimates are usually costed on depot, where the vehicle is based, back to depot. So it won't matter how far the 'load' has to travel.

True. A typical boat movement would take a day of my time and I would charge £450 for it (if I did boat movements, which I don't), and it would make no difference to the quote if the road journey was 40 or 50 miles shorter or longer, time is more of a factor in boat movements than the cost of the diesel.