Water Rat. Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Can you wise and wonderful folk tell me, for a friend, the approximate price of a boat survey. The boat is 12' X 36'. Steel hull. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Star Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Ball park figure, including the lift-out and lift-in, £800-£1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMW Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 I can second that. I recently paid for a 50ft narrowboat - £582 inc. VAT for the survey & £325 inc VAT for the lift out. Kind Regards, JamesMW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fender151 Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 My survey experience was a little less expensive than those already quoted, 60ft NB, £400 inclusive, lift out £250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I think location will pay a big part. Our local marina charges £13.20 per metre (for a lift out and including drop back in) as long as its done in 'one go' and left sitting in the cradle. http://www.newark-marina.co.uk/marina-services/hoist/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) Do you want a full survey, to include the whole boat and its mechanical and electrical equipment, or just a full hull condition report? If it is for insurance purposes, for example, they will usually only require the latter, and that will not be as expensive, (although docking / craning / slipping charges will still be the same). Whilst you might think having a short boat will make survey cheaper, I'm not convinced you will be quoted much less than if it was a lot longer. EDIT: Didn't read it properly! Depending on where it is, you may have less choice if it is wide-beam you want to pull out. You are not turning to the Dark Side are you?? Edited December 27, 2015 by alan_fincher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George94 Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 You don't give your location, but in London we have the benefit of the tidal grid at Chiswick, which means that "hauling out" costs the grand sum of £15.00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcol Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) All the posts before are good advice. Cost of survey though really is down to location, but yes cranage is a big chunk of a survey budget Reading though your friends measurements are there boats made that size? 36 X 12 can't imagine it looking right All the best Col Edited December 27, 2015 by bigcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 All the posts before are good advice. Cost of survey though really is down to location, but yes cranage is a big chunk of a survey budget Reading though your friends measurements are there boats made that size? 36 X 12 can't imagine it looking right All the best Col Ours is 36' x 14' ( but is shaped Tupperware so it looks 'right') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George94 Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 All the posts before are good advice. Cost of survey though really is down to location, but yes cranage is a big chunk of a survey budget Reading though your friends measurements are there boats made that size? 36 X 12 can't imagine it looking right All the best Col Do wide-beams ever look right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Do wide-beams ever look right? Funnily enough beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I vastly prefer the look of a widebeam ( so called ) over a narrowboat. After all narrowboats are by far the more abnormal design being only 7 feet wide over a 70 foot length makes them rather silly against other craft. A decent widebeam also is more stable and handles better than a narrowboat. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Funnily enough beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I vastly prefer the look of a widebeam ( so called ) over a narrowboat. After all narrowboats are by far the more abnormal design being only 7 feet wide over a 70 foot length makes them rather silly against other craft. A decent widebeam also is more stable and handles better than a narrowboat. Tim For once we are in full agreement. I hear this sort out nonsense all the time. I'm not sure why it s that so many narrowboaters think that the dimensions of their craft are somehow "normal" and anything wider is some sort of aberration. I know it's a cliche and I'm not sure why it is, but narrowboats often seem to equate to narrow minds. Narrowboats are designed to fit into narrow locks and that's the only reason for their odd dimensions. Conversely, wide boats have been plying the broadbeam canals since the canals were built, so both types of working boat are traditional on the canals. However, there's nothing traditional about modern accommodation under a full length superstructure on either type of boat, so most people who think they own "traditional" narrowboats don't. Edited December 28, 2015 by blackrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 The convention for beam is around 1/3rd of the length, so, in fact a 'widebeam' is actually far more normal than a narrow boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 The convention for beam is around 1/3rd of the length, so, in fact a 'widebeam' is actually far more normal than a narrow boat. The above two posts are very true. The only reason I live on a narrowboat is that I wanted to travel inland again to a precise area and it happened to have silly 7 foot wide locks hence selling the vastly superior, vastly more comfortable widebeam. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 The reason that widebeams look ugly and out of proportion is that they are built with a very low airdraft to be able to utilise the canals - they look like those floating 'night-waste' barges. Build a widebeam with a bit of 'height' to it and it looks fine. ( ala Dutch Barge etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George94 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Widebeams are certainly practical, but everything has been done to maximise interior space, with scant regard to aesthetics. On the better sort of narrowboat there are at least some nods to aesthetics, with interesting bows, a slight uplift to the coachroof at the back, and generally a rounded stern. By contrast, WBs often have a squared-off stern, which not even the most ardent WB-owner could describe as lovely. There is also seldom any attempt to paint them in an interesting way, which is a shame as that could make a big difference. It's possible to go over the top with roses and castles, in my view, but WBs are invariably well under the top when it comes to attractive paint jobs. Alan de is quite right about the height. However, low bridges make them impracticable. Even demountable ones wouldn't work as you'd spend all day putting them up and taking them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 The reason that widebeams look ugly and out of proportion is that they are built with a very low airdraft to be able to utilise the canals - they look like those floating 'night-waste' barges. Build a widebeam with a bit of 'height' to it and it looks fine. ( ala Dutch Barge etc) I don't agree with your premise that widebeams look ugly and out of proportion. I think that description is much more suited to narrowboats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Widebeams are certainly practical, but everything has been done to maximise interior space, with scant regard to aesthetics. I'm not saying my boat is anything special, but to me it's certainly not ugly and much more aesthetically pleasing (and far less boring!) than most narrowboats that I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George94 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I'd agree, Blackrose, that your boat is better-looking than most. The port-holes and the paint job both play their part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnie1uk Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Lovely looking boat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loafer Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 No it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Thanks. I specified the porthole spacing, the position of the side hatches and the paint colour, but I think I was lucky with the high curve of the roof and the bow shape because I've seen lots of other 12ft Liverpool widebeams and they're not quite as nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Funnily enough beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I vastly prefer the look of a widebeam ( so called ) over a narrowboat. After all narrowboats are by far the more abnormal design being only 7 feet wide over a 70 foot length makes them rather silly against other craft. A decent widebeam also is more stable and handles better than a narrowboat. Tim You do however seem to have changed your views somewhat on the subject over the years..... These were your very concise thoughts about wide-beams in 2011 They are not only ugly..........They are PIG UGLY.............. (Personally I think you were right in the first place, though! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 No it isn't. Charming. Show us a picture of your boat then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcol Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) I also think my Widebeam has a shape to it the gunwales are low in the middle, gaining height at each end. Also I think her bum is quite peachy as well Although I do understand beauty is in the eye of the beholder Edited December 28, 2015 by bigcol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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