Caveat de emptor comes to mind, Buyer beware.Marine paint suppliers.

[DHutch]

My impression is that Toplac has changed in the last few years and now is much the same as any other spirit based enamel. Previous to that it smelt different.

This

[George94]

Caveat emptor means "Let the buyer beware".

 

Cave de emptori means "Beware of the buyer".

 

Which did you have in mind?

[woodjam]

Caveat emptor means "Let the buyer beware".

Sorry my latin si not as good as my passion for canal boating.

[MtB]

Caveat emptor means "Let the buyer beware".

Sorry my latin si not as good as my passion for canal boating.

 

I'm surprised you claim a 'passion for canal boating' given that you are still calling canal boats 'barges'!

 

You also seem to think boat building should meet the same standards of conformity as car making, which makes you sound like a total newbie to me. I suspect you have much to learn, like for a start, how to chill about stuff that is only 99% right. Stop stressing about it and get on with enjoying boating. Nobody notices or cares (apart from you) if the colours on your boat, sorry, barge, don't quite match

 

MtB

[woodjam]

Yes a total newbie and we are loving it.

A canal boat not a barge.So its a boat. I mainly call her in the femail form. Is that a term that is ok on the inland water ways.

 

One thing we have noticed is the amount of painting that you have to do to stop the Boat from rusting.

So as a newbie how do you stop metal from rusting on a canal boat or do you just accept the innevitable and have another beer.

 

I love the constant tinkering.

[Higgs]

Yes a total newbie and we are loving it.

A canal boat not a barge.So its a boat. I mainly call her in the femail form. Is that a term that is ok on the inland water ways.

 

One thing we have noticed is the amount of painting that you have to do to stop the Boat from rusting.

So as a newbie how do you stop metal from rusting on a canal boat or do you just accept the innevitable and have another beer.

 

I love the constant tinkering.

 

Narrowboat will also suffice.

 

Try and keep on top of the paint damage, even if it doesn't look attractive when done. Painting isn't everyone's cup of tea, but try and clean to bright steel and apply primer, undercoat, then, a topcoat of colour.

 

Deep gouges, below the gunwales, can be filled (P38) and painted. Usually practiced by hire companies. It's quick, when repairing deep grooves.

 

It all depends on what you're prepaired to do. Some parts of the boat are chafed so often that it will probably never have the chance to rust.

Edited July 1, 2013 by Higgs

[Charlotte Burnett]

Errr, Toplac is paint, paint that with suitable primer, will paint checker plate, GRP, brass, plastic, wood.....this is a non-issue. Secondly, matchy matchy isn't always the best look, thirdly, it's paint, it's a sacrificial protective surface that needs recoating periodically. Forth, if you have fibreglass rubbing strakes, you are doing it wrong! These should be steel, seam welded top AND bottom. Fifth, why would you dry dock a boat to paint it's top side? Do you/your painter particularly enjoy working at height whilst throwing money at a facility not necessary for the job being done? Dry docks are for painting the underneath. Finally, what is a barge board and should I have one?

 

As for the industry being "antiquated" - you might have a point - but it could equally be said that the methods used are well tried and tested and given the choice between fixing something with a hammer or having to call out a highly trained technician, most of us prefer the former option!

[carlt]

Yes a total newbie and we are loving it.

A canal boat not a barge.So its a boat. I mainly call her in the femail form. Is that a term that is ok on the inland water ways.

 

 

A canal boat is a boat and if it is flat bottomed it is a barge.

 

A narrowboat is merely a flat-bottomed narrow beam boat that is based on the flat bottomed, narrow beam cargo carrying boats or barges of times gone.

 

After 30 odd years I still call them barges, from time to time, but the correct term for a modern narrow beam leisure boat is, of course, clonecraft.

[woodjam]

As Newbies we thank you all.Simples we took the none ral paint to a Freindly Fibre glasss company who matched the colour. Same with the powder coater all to the same effect.

We were also offered a 5 ltr tin of coach paint in a bs colour. Thank you T w Garners Skelmersedale.

so all is well on the good ship woodjam and no repaint. Woops boat

 

A narrowboat is merely a flat-bottomed narrow beam boat that is based on the flat bottomed, narrow beam cargo carrying boats or barges of times gone.

 

So how do you describe a wide beam with a flat bottom.

Charlotte Burnett

The dry dock i had in mind has a shed that you can float the boat in and paint her. But problem solved.

No need to paint we are sorted.

WoodJam Is all our own work and yes I love the engineering and tinkering on atraditional naturally aspirated engine.

Rubbing strips yes made of Steel is the best.

But why not try and protect the hard earnt paint job.Thank you for your thoughts and good wishes.

 

We are ready to move on board this week so all that hard work sweat and money is well spent.. Cant wait to pop the cork do we need to be piped on board.

Is champagne allowed to lauch wood jam or do we need a tin of touche up paint.

[alan_fincher]

 

Any ideas of how we can resolve the issue with out spending 5 grand will be greatly recieved.

 

Stop fussing over it.

 

Go boating!

[Charlotte Burnett]

I think you are talking about a wet dock or polytunnel - a much much more sensible way of painting a boat. Some yards allow their dry docks to be used in this manner but many, most? dry docks do not have parallel wharves. Dry docks tend to run double the price of wet docks on a weekly rental as well.

 

Good to know about colour matched powdercoating - an art that remains witchcraft to me!

 

Your rubbing strips sound interesting, can you post a picture? Rubbing strips to me are heavy lumps of D section sitting around about the waterline (normally one above and one below) that cheap boat builders don't attach properly. These are sacrificial structures that in theory prevent lock walls, wharf sides and pillings from damaging your hull.

 

A widebeam is usually called.....a widebeam. Some will refer to it as a fat narrowboat and occasionally, more derogatory terms.

 

Here www.bluewatersailing.com/documents/humorous-sail-definitions.pdf

and here www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f74/you-might-be-a-liveaboard-if-27813.html

 

Might be helpful in your endeavours

[woodjam]

5 weeks of living on board and yes she does get scuffed. Dented and the odd rust spot.

We are chilled and loving it. stuck on the l and l waiting to get into Liverpool but plenty of time to fill the dents and paint the roof now cream. Deflects the heat lovelly.

Cream matt on larger panels to deflect the suns glare.

With a stiff mix of grit sand looks and feel great no more slipping.

Gloss strips with rougher grit mix all matching cream.

Ps found a great company that will match to any paint. HMG Manchester Coach enamel paint 2.5 ltrs for under 50.00 delivered.

 

Thanks for all your tips and advice.

Any tips of what to do in Liverpool.

[carlt]

 

Any tips of what to do in Liverpool.

Calm Down!

[nb Innisfree]

When we were boating full time I painted our nb once a year, quick rubdown and a couple of coats with a gloss roller, no stripes or writing, plain old green semi matt to disguise any undulations (50/50 Rylards Yacht Green/Nato Brunswick Green) 3hrs each side, same for the top, blacking everywhere else.

 

Job done, go cruising.

 

Not everyone's cup of tea but saves a lot of hassle.

Edited August 2, 2013 by nb Innisfree

[BEngo]

<SNIP>

Any tips of what to do in Liverpool.

It's rumoured to be a great place to meet collectors who specialise in car wheels and wheel trim.

 

You used to be able to buy anything under the sun (and other things) in pubs down the dock road but they are probably all trendy bistros and tan parlours these days.

 

Have a ride on the Wallasey or New Brighton ferries for a good view of Liverpool (and Birkenhead)from the Mersey. Have a look at the Catholic cathedral (aka the Mersey rocket) and the perhaps the Anglican one (the longest-running cathedral building project though they have, probably, finished it now).

 

Town Hall is worth a look as is the Liver Building.

 

Various Beatles places.

 

Too soon for football games but Anfield and Goodison are either side of Stanley Park if you are into famous Football Clubs or stadiums (stadia?).

 

The Liver Grease Oil and Chemical Company Ltd are a good place to buy real creosote for treating any natural fibre rope fenders you may have, or plan to buy, and bitumens for touching up the black bit.

 

N

[Timleech]

It's rumoured to be a great place to meet collectors who specialise in car wheels and wheel trim.

 

You used to be able to buy anything under the sun (and other things) in pubs down the dock road but they are probably all trendy bistros and tan parlours these days.

 

Have a ride on the Wallasey or New Brighton ferries for a good view of Liverpool (and Birkenhead)from the Mersey. Have a look at the Catholic cathedral (aka the Mersey rocket) and the perhaps the Anglican one (the longest-running cathedral building project though they have, probably, finished it now).

 

 

 

N

 

Used to be known as Paddy's Wigwam. Is that too politically incorrect now?

 

Tim

[BEngo]

Forgot that one- it's too long ago I was living that way.

 

 

N

[Greedyheron]

Did you not only just have your new boat painted? Why has it got rust patches after 5 weeks and why have you just repainted the roof? Or have I misunderstood you? I would expect a paint job to last a bit more than 5 weeks.

[Victor Vectis]

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Any tips of what to do in Liverpool.

Drink beer in the Baltic Fleet.

 

[DeanS]

I havent read the whole thread...but one thing I know....the OP and I live in 2 different worlds On so many levels

[DeanS]

£60 for 5 litres of "blue/black" I ordered off the web. When it went on, it looks "green black". Roof - £16 for 2.5l from Wilkinsons.

 

I couldnt go cruising with a primered grey boat could I?

 

 

anyway...I did it to prevent rusting through the last winter, and will probably sand, and repaint before next years cruising.

 

It already has lots of scratches and footmarks on it from doing the 100 locks and wild towpaths of the L&L, but if you're going to put your boat in a marina, I guess your £5000 paint job wont get too damaged.

 

[woodjam]

Did you not only just have your new boat painted? Why has it got rust patches after 5 weeks and why have you just repainted the roof? Or have I misunderstood you? I would expect a paint job to last a bit more than 5 weeks.

 

 

Wood jam had a dark roof and with the heat and sun. last 5 weeks.

We were cooking inside.Our St bernard dog was suffering too with the heat.

So I repainted the roof. Cream to reflect some of the heat.

Woodjam. Is cruising the L and L. Not sat in a marina.

 

No rust just a few scuffs and scratches that if not protected would turn into Rust.

[DeanS]

 

Did you not only just have your new boat painted? Why has it got rust patches after 5 weeks and why have you just repainted the roof? Or have I misunderstood you? I would expect a paint job to last a bit more than 5 weeks.

 

 

Wood jam had a dark roof and with the heat and sun. last 5 weeks.

We were cooking inside.Our St bernard dog was suffering too with the heat.

So I repainted the roof. Cream to reflect some of the heat.

Woodjam. Is cruising the L and L. Not sat in a marina.

 

No rust just a few scuffs and scratches that if not protected would turn into Rust.

 

 

A tree branch on the L&L put a scratch all the way down the side of my boat. If I paid a fortune for a paint job, I would be crying. Be careful out there

[woodjam]

When i build the next one it will be grey primmer.Black bottom and a big rubber buffer all the way round.

 

Hi Dean trees are part of the fun and missery. Yes scratches are all part of the boating life.

How are you doing with the build any progress

 

Iam still confused isnt a bage a flat bottomed vessel designed for canals.

 

Still got lotts to learn

[DeanS]

How are you doing with the build any progress

 

Thanks for asking As someone once said...the first 90% of the build takes 10% of the time and the last 10% takes 90% of the time We recently bought some clothes cupboards for the kids, and I'm replacing their carpet flooring with some groovy kitchen flooring stuff......basically i just decided I would go cruising this year, and I gave myself 5yrs to finish the other 10% still to do.

 

ps...the trees are window height...so the rubber bumper wont stop them ruining your £5000 paint job.....please dont get me the wrong way, I'm not saying someone shouldnt spend a lot on painting.....to make their boat look great (I'm so envious of a shiny purple narrowboat we saw recently...looked like a sportscar), ....it's just that......you can buy a lot of solar power for that kind of money. ...or even better.....you could stay on VMs for as long as you liked, and just pay the £25 per day mooring fee which is apparently an available option to those more well off ..