Rory_d Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Hi all, following a a couple of people seeing my boat one of whom is a surveyor they have told me that in fact my boat isn’t a springer it is a Harborough marine 1980s build. i has another visit today from the surveyor who again looked all over it and the framework in the hull. i have looked online and the front of the boat is identical to the Harborough marine boats I’ve seen on google . My question now is the canal and river trust Website says mine is a springer. The surveyor said it was probably put on an old survey or boat safety that it was a springer leading the previous owners to believe this, Does anybody know what I need to do to get this incorrect information changed if not where do I stand?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 CRT get their information from owners, so it's likely that the information could have been inaccurate from a previous one. CRT do not verify boat details given except to check insurance details occasionally. Your Harborough could also be a Fernie!! The easiest way to tell this is if you have tubular hand rails. If the upstand is an upside down triangle it's a Fernie not a Harborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory_d Posted January 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Hi thanks for your reply, my hand rains are not tubular . What do you mean by upstanding? Please excuse my ignorance Sorry upstand phone keeps changing the words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davis Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Can you post a photo of your boat? And is it V bottomed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 Interestingly I thought you could use CRT's online licensing system to correct or modify details of your boat(s). However having just tried it for one of mine, it seems the majority of the fields are greyed out and will not accept input. I can't for example correct the power of "Sickle's" engine from the 33HP one it used to have to the 22hP one it has now. Also I can't see the builders name displayed anywhere on the screen I am presented with, even though I know CRT hold it (or used to hold it?) on their records. In fact, other than the name of the boat, and insurance details, it doesn't appera there is much it would let me change. Most odd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory_d Posted January 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, Graham Davis said: Can you post a photo of your boat? And is it V bottomed? It Is a v but extremely shallow 11 minutes ago, alan_fincher said: Interestingly I thought you could use CRT's online licensing system to correct or modify details of your boat(s). However having just tried it for one of mine, it seems the majority of the fields are greyed out and will not accept input. I can't for example correct the power of "Sickle's" engine from the 33HP one it used to have to the 22hP one it has now. Also I can't see the builders name displayed anywhere on the screen I am presented with, even though I know CRT hold it (or used to hold it?) on their records. In fact, other than the name of the boat, and insurance details, it doesn't appera there is much it would let me change. Most odd! Il ring the crt Monday and see what they say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Rory_d said: It Is a v but extremely shallow Has any Harborough boat ever had a V bottom, even a shallow one? I've never heard of it, I think. Please post a picture or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory_d Posted January 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, alan_fincher said: Has any Harborough boat ever had a V bottom, even a shallow one? I've never heard of it, I think. Please post a picture or two. Thts why I beilieved it was a springer but people who have seen it argue otherwise, according to the surveyor the v bottom is way too shallow for a springer, the sides at the bottom slope in at about 20 degrees then the base is about 10 degrees to the Center . Il see if I’ve got a photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Rory_d said: Il ring the crt Monday and see what they say I would wait until you are sure what it is first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, alan_fincher said: Interestingly I thought you could use CRT's online licensing system to correct or modify details of your boat(s). However having just tried it for one of mine, it seems the majority of the fields are greyed out and will not accept input. I can't for example correct the power of "Sickle's" engine from the 33HP one it used to have to the 22hP one it has now. Also I can't see the builders name displayed anywhere on the screen I am presented with, even though I know CRT hold it (or used to hold it?) on their records. In fact, other than the name of the boat, and insurance details, it doesn't appera there is much it would let me change. Most odd! It seems reasonable to me that you can not change most of the details online - most of them will never change in a boat's lifetime. The one that caught me out was air draught. I could not make an online passage booking for the Liverpool Link as that was empty, so I just guessed at a number lower than the maximum quoted for air draught on the link. This worked fine and I thought no more about it until trying to make a booking for Standedge Tunnel - the guessed at number was too big to fit in the tunnel so I went to change it and discovered I couldn't do it online! One phone call to CRT sorted it out though, as they can alter it at their end - it's a restriction on the website, not on their main computer system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory_d Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Here’s a pic of it that was from the original advert, I will get some more when I return to the boat. the front of the boat has got an upwards sweep to it plus it hasn’t got the dodgy moustache that all springers seem to have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Harborough marine boats to have the lower chine sloping inwards a little but the baseplate is flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory_d Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 The main base plate is flat it’s literally the lower sides that slope inwards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, Rory_d said: The main base plate is flat it’s literally the lower sides that slope inwards, Very likely a Harborough boat then. The handrail upstands are the bits sticking up that the rails sits on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory_d Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Ah ok if you mean the roof rails then I think they are square if memory serves me right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Rory_d said: Ah ok if you mean the roof rails then I think they are square if memory serves me right Not sure which upstands a steel topped Harborough boat has, I had a GRP topped one. All Springers as far as I'm aware have a proper V hull, not a flat baseplate. Which engine is in the boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory_d Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 The engine is a bmc and the boat is all steel. I’ve been advised mine is one of the first to have a dry bilge and steel top in early 80s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rory_d said: The engine is a bmc and the boat is all steel. I’ve been advised mine is one of the first to have a dry bilge and steel top in early 80s Ok, sounds more and more like a Harborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory_d Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 I’m just having a look again on google images now and have found a Harborough Marine narrowboat and the front is identical to mine, it’s a bugger I can’t copy the pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory_d Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) The front of my boat is very similar to this although the sides of the hull look flat on this whereas mine are sloped Edited January 21, 2019 by Rory_d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rory_d said: I’m just having a look again on google images now and have found a Harborough Marine narrowboat and the front is identical to mine, it’s a bugger I can’t copy the pic They have a nice boaty fine bow, unlike most more modern boats with bluff shaped bows. They can really bomb along with minimum power. Mine only had a 13 hp Lister and nost other narrowboats couldn't touch it for speed. They also handle really well going backwards. 3 minutes ago, Rory_d said: The front of my boat is very similar to this although the sides of the hull look flat on this whereas mine are sloped That's an early one, wooden or GRP top. Yes Harborough or perhaps very perhaps Ferny as someone else mentioned, but are the same shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory_d Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just looking at springer bows and they all have that dodgy moustache and look quite boxy on the front end nothing like mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 I'd say that one is definitly Harborough. I can just see the curved bollard on the foredeck which all Harborough boats had. Just now, Rory_d said: Just looking at springer bows and they all have that dodgy moustache and look quite boxy on the front end nothing like mine! The vast majority do have the washboards. Mostache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory_d Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, bizzard said: I'd say that one is definitly Harborough. I can just see the curved bollard on the foredeck which all Harborough boats had. The vast majority do have the washboards. Mostache. Which one sorry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rory_d said: Which one sorry? That last photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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