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Millions of years of evolution, biggest brain in the animal kingdom, opposable thumb and an advance technology and we are still plagued by the surrogate children of irresponsible selfish oafs! Once, just once I was in the position with a dog clamped to my ankle where I was able to draw a weapon and drill the little bastard. I am all in favour of a weaponless society but if we were all able all the time when some stinking animal decides to impose it's pack superiority on it to do the same then perhaps problems like this will go away. Until then we all remain liable to sudden assault varying from the "OK he's friendly" animal smearing it's arsewiping equipment over us to attack with a deadly weapon. I utterly agree with Carl on this, I do not want to share your animal and if it's off a lead then you should be damned sure it's not going to forcibly impose it's presence on anyone.

Learn this too, IT'S NOT A CHILD, IT'S AN ANIMAL WITH NO MORE WORTH THAN A RAT!

Heart pills now.

A little over the top but I think we get the point...

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I think that some people are forgetting that some dogs guard their territory. A dog walker let his 3 dogs off their leads as he was on the towpath. One, a little fluffy one, tried to get in an open side hatch. The greyhound inside knew what to do with little fluffy things. There was mayhem, vets bills, and threats to burn down boats. The police and paramedics were called. I'm sure that dogs on leads near boats would have avoided the problem.

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Of course its a valid comparison, accidents happen even when people are tested in order to supposedly avoid them...

 

You're missing the point. Driving cars is regulated, for safety reasons. Dog ownership is, apart from the ban on certain breeds, completely unregulated.

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You're missing the point. Driving cars is regulated, for safety reasons. Dog ownership is, apart from the ban on certain breeds, completely unregulated.

No I am not missing any point at all.

 

People have to be tested to drive on the roads, thousands die on them each year.

 

How many people are killed or injured by poor dog ownership each year?

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Millions of years of evolution, biggest brain in the animal kingdom, opposable thumb and an advance technology and we are still plagued by the surrogate children of irresponsible selfish oafs! Once, just once I was in the position with a dog clamped to my ankle where I was able to draw a weapon and drill the little bastard. I am all in favour of a weaponless society but if we were all able all the time when some stinking animal decides to impose it's pack superiority on it to do the same then perhaps problems like this will go away. Until then we all remain liable to sudden assault varying from the "OK he's friendly" animal smearing it's arsewiping equipment over us to attack with a deadly weapon. I utterly agree with Carl on this, I do not want to share your animal and if it's off a lead then you should be damned sure it's not going to forcibly impose it's presence on anyone.

Learn this too, IT'S NOT A CHILD, IT'S AN ANIMAL WITH NO MORE WORTH THAN A RAT!

Heart pills now.

Wow snibs, I don't often agree with you...

 

Anyway, whilst I am a dog lover, I couldn't eat a whole one..(unless it was a little shiatsu).....Coat!

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You're missing the point. Driving cars is regulated, for safety reasons. Dog ownership is, apart from the ban on certain breeds, completely unregulated.

Yes driving is highly regulated but I think you are missing "the dog house" point in that for all the regulation cars kill more people than the unregulated dog ownership.

 

Personally I don't mind going back to licensing or some sort of statutory control of dog ownership and I suspect most responsible dog owners would agree. The sad truth is though as ever it is not the responsible ones you have to worry about and the irresponsible will likely not pay much attention to the rules much like the irresponsible driver ignores speed restrictions or other safety related rules.

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No I am not missing any point at all.

 

People have to be tested to drive on the roads, thousands die on them each year.

 

How many people are killed or injured by poor dog ownership each year?

 

You're right, many people are killed on the roads each year. That's why there's testing, and lots of people who work to try to make things as safe as possible.

 

Although not in the thousands, the number of dog attacks each year is significant and with the popularity of 'look at me and my dog, we're both hard' breeds, is rising. Pretty well anything anyone does that could endanger others is regulated in this country. With the exception of dogs where currently, there is a free for all.

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That would be awesome, rabbit is good. :D

 

One of my cats is actually a real shitbag with dogs. She doesn't just face up to them, but she sees them off and stalks them. She's never taken a swipe at one, but I think she would if it was in her face. Every dog she has met has yielded to her, and nothing has chased her off yet, although I sort of wish something slow would, so she would stop thinking all dogs are safe.

She terrorises my neighbour's big 'ard bulldog, makes him cry and hide when my neighbour leaves it outside. I can tell my neighbour sort of wants to make a fuss about it, but is too embarrased to cos he's a bloke with a bulldog and I am a girl with a tiny innocent kitty. :D

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That would be awesome, rabbit is good. biggrin.png

 

One of my cats is actually a real shitbag with dogs. She doesn't just face up to them, but she sees them off and stalks them. She's never taken a swipe at one, but I think she would if it was in her face. Every dog she has met has yielded to her, and nothing has chased her off yet, although I sort of wish something slow would, so she would stop thinking all dogs are safe.

She terrorises my neighbour's big 'ard bulldog, makes him cry and hide when my neighbour leaves it outside. I can tell my neighbour sort of wants to make a fuss about it, but is too embarrased to cos he's a bloke with a bulldog and I am a girl with a tiny innocent kitty. biggrin.png

yeah right! ... innocent lol

 

All I can say is woof!

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No I am not missing any point at all.

People have to be tested to drive on the roads, thousands die on them each year.

How many people are killed or injured by poor dog ownership each year?

The fundamental difference is that cars have to stick to roads. If you wander out into a road you are fair game to be run over. But cars are not allowed on the towpath, pavement, in parks etc. Whereas unfortunately dogs are allowed and encountered pretty much anywhere.

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You're right, many people are killed on the roads each year. That's why there's testing, and lots of people who work to try to make things as safe as possible.

 

Although not in the thousands, the number of dog attacks each year is significant and with the popularity of 'look at me and my dog, we're both hard' breeds, is rising. Pretty well anything anyone does that could endanger others is regulated in this country. With the exception of dogs where currently, there is a free for all.

 

Not quite so...you can still be sued if your dog causes an accident or injures someone. Hence we have cover as part of dennis' pet insurance.

 

The government are also in the process of bringing in compulsory chipping and closing the loops hole of being immune from prosecution if your dog attacks somebody on your own property.

 

As churchwardens rightly says irresponsible car ownership is not that different from irresponsible dog ownership.

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I guess you're not a dog lover then?

 

I would hazzard a guess that a guide or other help dog would be more to their owners than your description.

 

What a sad outlook you have.

But that's rather the point isn't it. A guide dog or other help dog or come to that any properly socialised and controlled dog is not a problem is it.

Since I have a sad outlook I must presume that if I were to wipe my used toilet paper around your face and chew your ankle after pissing on your mooring ropes and boarding your boat for a casual nose around you would be having great fun.

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The fundamental difference is that cars have to stick to roads. If you wander out into a road you are fair game to be run over. But cars are not allowed on the towpath, pavement, in parks etc. Whereas unfortunately dogs are allowed and encountered pretty much anywhere.

Just because there are laws it doesn't mean folk adhere to them.

 

Car and dog ownership requires responsibility (unlike motorcycle ownership but that's a different discussion)

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I'd be annoyed if that happened, at the owner, not the dog. Dogs don't get improperly socialised or out of control on their own. I have written several pieces on why training the owner is as important as training the dog.

Totally agree. A dog cannot be held responsible for it's actions so the owner must take that responsibility. Anything your dog does is your fault. Would you piss on a mooring rope? well if you allow your dog to do it then you might as well and if it happens then by not preventing it you have allowed it.

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I don't have a dog, dude.

Also, I would amend your line to "anything x-y-z's dog does is their responsibility," rather than fault automatically. Dogs need to shit and piss. this is no one's fault, they were doing it for years before they became domesticated.

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Totally agree. A dog cannot be held responsible for it's actions so the owner must take that responsibility. Anything your dog does is your fault. Would you piss on a mooring rope? well if you allow your dog to do it then you might as well and if it happens then by not preventing it you have allowed it.

 

Better get our dog a urinal then - oops can't cos it's a she.

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