CRT mean business......Trust attempts to recover £76k from man

[jenlyn]

There are very few disabilities that rule people completely out of the work force.

Losing sight in one eye isn't one of them.

 

Why not?

Spoken like a true tory.

[luctor et emergo]

Ave you noticed how Naughtycal switches from one subject to another?

 

I won't be churlish and idely wonder what happenend to the definetive, written, issued by an authorative source, instructions on how to deal with swingbridges...

[Delta9]

There are very few disabilities that rule people completely out of the work force.

 

Losing sight in one eye isn't one of them.

 

Why not?

Hopefully other forum members will take note of your borderline sociopathic attitude and remember it the next time you ask for advice or assistance.

[luctor et emergo]

Hopefully other forum members will take note of your borderline sociopathic attitude and remember it the next time you ask for advice or assistance.

She never needs to ask for advice, because she allready knows, inevitably better..

[churchward]

Being paralysed from the neck down doesn't stop some people from participating in day to day life, look at Stephen Hawking. Does this mean that we should not count paraplegia or motor neuron disease as a disability? I mean, we could stick them all in call centers, right? Make the buggers work for their benefits?

I know what you are driving at and I agree but equally I know that a good number of people with all sorts of disability would love the opportunity to work and earn their own money.

[luctor et emergo]

I know what you are driving at and I agree but equally I know that a good number of people with all sorts of disability would love the opportunity to work and earn their own money.

Yes, and so do able bodied people..

[billS]

What is it with this forum, that a cadre of it's members seem incapable of arguing their case, without labelling and belittling their protagonists.

 

It really is pathetic, and does nothing to lend credibility to their arguments.

[NigelMoore]

Let's not lose the plot, mr ward was moored there for 5 years. He was wrong.

 

I have been unable to find anywhere in the various articles or the judgment where Mr Ward stood accused of not complying with the terms of his licence; he stood accused of not obtaining one. He was not “wrong” therefore, for the reason many are assuming, having got their minds stuck in the CC debate.

 

His Defence acknowledged his need for a licence. The case considered first whether he was liable to pay a late fee, second whether it was the authority’s fault that he was late, plus issues over discrimination and abuse of human rights.

 

Essentially the pivotal issue in the judgment was the legitimacy of the late payment penalty; non-compliance with cruising guidelines does not enter the picture, whether he was or was not ‘guilty’ of such a breach.

 

To understand why the authority would choose to target this boater over this issue, one would have to penetrate the clever and devious mind-set of the lawyers, who will have a planned agenda of accruing incremental court approvals for policies as steps towards an undisclosed end goal. These cases are won or lost as a result of Case Management decisions long before they go before judges, and that’s where LiP’s are often left floundering, incapable of understanding the ramifications.

[churchward]

Yes, and so do able bodied people..

Yes of course that is true as well and so in that desire to work and earn ones own keep is universal. A person does not loose the wish to work just because they are disabled. Equally true if someone was a feckless scrounger before becoming disabled they are likely to remain a feckless scrounger.

[luctor et emergo]

Yes of course that is true as well and so in that desire to work and earn ones own keep is universal. A person does not loose the wish to work just because they are disabled. Equally true if someone was a feckless scrounger before becoming disabled they are likely to remain a feckless scrounger.

There you are. You have just shown your hand. Once a feckless scrounger, always a feckless scrounger..

 

You are pathetic

[ChimneyChain]

You omit to to address a fundamental issue - you, we, all of us have no idea as to what sight he has in the other eye.

 

You can't see (no pun intended) just how judgemental you are being on the scantest of information about his full circumstances , you have clearly written him off as some sort of work shy scrounger and by implication are saying 'serves him right'

No you're right I don't know the full facts, but I hasten to add if there was a problem with his other eye that he would not have hesitated to mention this to the reporter from the Wiltshire news. As he has mentioned his bad one which has nothing to do with the fact that cart are taking him to court over unpaid dues.

 

Darren

 

I am now a long standing member so please don't treat me any differently

Edited August 30, 2013 by ChimneyChain

[Doorman]

I am often complimented, by British people, that my English is better than the native's..

For what that is worth, the fact that you like to take the piss out of somebodies missfortune, and gload about it, says all about you that we need to know.

 

Jeeze......!

 

Do I have to resort to spelling it out in Dutch to explain it again?

 

It was a joke, albeit too subtle for you to comprehend. And not may I add 'taking the piss' as you wrongly interpreted. You even missed the final satirical comment regarding your nationality and ability to understand English. There is little doubt that Dutch and Scandinavian people have a fine master of our mother tongue, more so might I add, than some of our 'own' population!

 

When residing in Upholland I took it that the Dutch were meant to have a wicked sense of humour, not so it seems.

 

And finally, why, when my wife suffers from several debilitating and genuine disabilities, would I seek to gain favour by demeaning a person with allegedly authentic injuries that impede him from carrying out an honest day's work?

 

I certainly wouldn't wish to gload about it!

Edited August 30, 2013 by Doorman

[Naughty Cal]

It is strange how a contingent of this forum will defend those quiet clearly in the wrong to the bitter end.

 

This case has been judged in court in CRT's favour.

 

How would this be the case if he was a law abiding model citizen?

Spoken like a true tory.

It matters not which party I agree with, which for the record isn't Tory. I don't agree with giving generous handouts to those not willing to help themselves.

 

Not that that matters here anyway.

[luctor et emergo]

Jeeze......!

 

Do I have to resort to spelling it out in Dutch to explain it again?

 

It was a joke, albeit too subtle for you to comprehend. And not may I add 'taking the piss' as you wrongly interpreted. You even missed the final satirical comment regarding your nationality and ability to understand English. There is little doubt that Dutch and Scandinavian people have a fine master of our mother tongue, more so might I add, than some of our 'own' population!

 

When residing in Upholland I took it that the Dutch were meant to have a wicked sense of humour, not so it seems.

 

And finally, why, when my wife suffers from several debilitating and genuine disabilities, would I seek to gain favour by demeaning a person with allegedly authentic injuries that impede him from carrying out an honest day's work?

 

I certainly wouldn't wish to gload about it!

Als U het in Nederlands uit will leggen, dan mag U dat graag doen. Dan begrijp ik het ook wat makkelijker.

 

En voor het waard is, U bent normaal gesproken hier heel erg uitgesproken. En dat kan soms heel rottig uitkomen.

 

Anyway.

 

You know what I mean.

[steven wilkinson]

Google translate - phew!

[Doorman]

It matters not which party I agree with, which for the record isn't Tory. I don't agree with giving generous handouts to those not willing to help themselves.

Not that that matters here anyway.

Blimey,

 

I must be getting soft in my old age, I'm beginning to agree with Phyllis!

 

As a once staunch socialist who has witnessed no end of benefit fraud by all manner of people from various spectrums of society, not only am I starting to agree with our racy power boater, but with some Tory doctrine also.

 

There are countless examples of able bodied folk who choose a lifetime on the dole, peeing what money they are supposed to be feeding their large families on and then spending the rest on fags! Get real some of you, this is a social disease that needs a very strong willed government to sort it out once and for all.

 

How can anyone condone the billions that are wasted each year on the slothenly sections of society that hold Masters degrees in playing the system?

 

Als U het in Nederlands uit will leggen, dan mag U dat graag doen. Dan begrijp ik het ook wat makkelijker.

En voor het waard is, U bent normaal gesproken hier heel erg uitgesproken. En dat kan soms heel rottig uitkomen.

Anyway.

You know what I mean.

 

Give me a few days to translate that and I'll come back to you.

 

Dank u for your patience! :-)

Edited August 30, 2013 by Doorman

[Delta9]

It is strange how a contingent of this forum will defend those quiet clearly in the wrong to the bitter end.

 

This case has been judged in court in CRT's favour.

 

How would this be the case if he was a law abiding model citizen?

 

It's cute how you have so much faith in the Justice system. The same justice system that refuses to prosecute crooked bankers and sends people to jail for making rude jokes on twitter. It must be nice to live in a world where you don't have to think for yourself, where everything told to you by the authorities or newspapers is correct and shouldn't be questioned. How do I get in to this fantasy land of yours where no innocent people ever get found guilty and all court judgments are fair?

[Naughty Cal]

It's cute how you have so much faith in the Justice system. The same justice system that refuses to prosecute crooked bankers and sends people to jail for making rude jokes on twitter. It must be nice to live in a world where you don't have to think for yourself, where everything told to you by the authorities or newspapers is correct and shouldn't be questioned. How do I get in to this fantasy land of yours where no innocent people ever get found guilty and all court judgments are fair?

And so the circle starts again!

 

I suppose this chap is innocent in your eyes and CRT are just bullying him?

[RLWP]

 

http://canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/library/1127.pdf

 

1. Overview of statutory framework [page 6 of 11]

 

6^th paragraph:

 

“The British Waterways Act 1995 limits to three specific criteria our ability to refuse to licence a boat.” [my underlining]

 

 

 

The British Waterways Act 1995 limits to three specific criteria our ability to refuse to licence a boat. These relate to

(1) boat safety standards (the equivalent of the car MOT)

(2) third party liability insurance cover; and

(3) the requirement for the boat to have a home mooring, unless it is used for navigation throughout the period

of the licence.

There are no statutory provisions for refusing a licence on the grounds of say, congestion or aesthetics both of which are subjective. Adequate moorings control is therefore essential for preserving the amenity of the waterways for boating and other uses.

I'm not sure that you are using that quote in the context that it was intended. The document you linked to is specifically about mooring permits, not boat licenses

Richard

[Beaker]

Als U het in Nederlands uit will leggen, dan mag U dat graag doen. Dan begrijp ik het ook wat makkelijker.

En voor het waard is, U bent normaal gesproken hier heel erg uitgesproken. En dat kan soms heel rottig uitkomen.

Anyway.

You know what I mean.

That's easy for you to say!

[RLWP]

Part of this I would imagine involves CRT believing mr ward would have gained his licence, then again stuck two fingers up when the need came to move. Thus starting the whole process all over again with yet more costs.

My only beef with this issue is the fact that I believe CRT need to find a way of dealing with this in a more acceptable way.

Let's not lose the plot, mr ward was moored there for 5 years. He was wrong. At most, CRT needs to find a more "acceptable" way of dealing with these situations.

 

If you read the bit I posted earlier, they don't actually have an appropriate mechanism that could be considered acceptable. It's do nothing, £50 fine or refuse to license

 

Richard

[luctor et emergo]

Blimey,

 

I must be getting soft in my old age, I'm beginning to agree with Phyllis!

 

As a once staunch socialist who has witnessed no end of benefit fraud by all manner of people from various spectrums of society, not only am I starting to agree with our racy power boater, but with some Tory doctrine also.

 

There are countless examples of able bodied folk who choose a lifetime on the dole, peeing what money they are supposed to be feeding their large families on and then spending the rest on fags! Get real some of you, this is a social disease that needs a very strong willed government to sort it out once and for all.

 

How can anyone condone the billions that are wasted each year on the slothenly sections of society that hold Masters degrees in playing the system?

 

 

 

Give me a few days to translate that and I'll come back to you.

 

Dank u for your patience! :-)

Alstublieft.

 

I do think, that you are what is known, as an 'early pensioner'? You have spend all of your life, working hard, paying your dues into the system? And now, you are enjoying the fruits of your labour, as you should?

 

I, Of all people,don't deny you that, because you worked hard, and were told there would be a reward. Even better, you may have saved in a private pension, and be one of the last lucky ones, who actually gets a return.

 

Think of us for a moment. We work to pay for your pesion, as you did for your elders. We may well save in a pension, but what future do we have? Would you, if you were 30 today, invest in a pension?

 

Life is as it is, and I never envy people for what I don't have, but don't you see how you denounce people who may not have choosen where they are?

That's easy for you to say!

Dat is waar

[NigelMoore]

This case has been judged in court in CRT's favour. How would this be the case if he was a law abiding model citizen?

 

 

Without suggesting that this was or was not the case in the present instance – quite easily. Court decisions get handed down, reversed on appeal, reversed back yet again, and so on over decades, decisions often varying wildly and contradictorily in dealing with similar situations according to the prevailing philosophical and political persuasions of the time.

 

Law abiding model citizens can have no reasonable expectation that courts will judge rightly at all times – especially not when dealing with bodies set up to administer Parliamentary statutes.

 

The situations worsens with the “inequality of arms” that obtains when one or more lay people have to cope unrepresented by professionals with a quasi-government body employing whole teams of solicitors and barristers specialising in servicing that authority’s wishes.

 

Even when it’s a level playing field on non-controversial facts, as I’ve heard it said -“litigation is a two-up game”.

[Delta9]

And so the circle starts again!

 

I suppose this chap is innocent in your eyes and CRT are just bullying him?

Amazing how you will accept the judgment against him keeping his boats on the water without questioning it in the slightest, yet refuse to accept the judgment that he is eligible for disability benefits. It's almost as if you have some sort of personal vendetta against the man.

[churchward]

There you are. You have just shown your hand. Once a feckless scrounger, always a feckless scrounger..

 

You are pathetic

Nice. All I am trying to convey is that human desires and traits are not divided between able and disabled people or one exclusive to the other. They are universal.

 

I did not say no one can change but it is also true that just because you acquire a disability it won't in itself change the persons personality. Until we start treating people as human rather than able or disabled equally there will be no progress. I was also talking generally I have no idea what the circumstance of the particular individual is like.

 

Stop looking for what you want to see and actually read and understand what is being written. There is also no need to be so rude in your response.