widebeam licence fee

[sooty]

Hello,

Planning for the distant future, changing narrowboat to widebeam ........ I have a dream !!

Am I right in thinking the licence fee is the same per length and the width is irrelevant ?

Cheers

[DeanS]

yes

[BenC]

Yes but it shouldn't be, as far as I am concerned, should reflect the price of a pair, full price for motor and half price for butty. Why is this not the same for wide boats?

[Biggles]

Not in France now. Sq/m now in France. Still generally cheaper than here though.

 

Don't suppose it will be long before it happens here.

[DeanS]

Maybe licence fees should be based on how deep a boat sits in the water...

[kris88]

Maybe wide beams should pay less they can't travel the whole system

[PiRSqwared]

What is the logic behind charging by length? Do 72' boats pose a greater strain on the pursestrings of CaRT than a 60' boat?

Edited August 24, 2013 by PiRSqwared

[Biggles]

Maybe wide beams should pay less they can't travel the whole system

 

Like that

[BenC]

Maybe licence fees should be based on how deep a boat sits in the water...

deep boats keep the system clear, at the expense of their base plates. Long boats can't explore the whole system either. surely its only time till wide boats are charged more, after all it for charity! When you pay more for two historic boats and more and more wide boats seem to be on the system, you can surely see my point! I'm not picking on wide boats but the system must be fair. I think that any boat before 1973 should be free like road tax!

[kris88]

I'll go for the free for any boat older than 1973,but really why should I pay more to be able to navigate less of system

Regards kris

[Biggles]

I suppose if they charged more for wide boats they would have to make the whole system available to 2 NB width. Imagine the cost of that!

[kris88]

Exactly

[BenC]

I suppose if they charged more for wide boats they would have to make the whole system available to 2 NB width. Imagine the cost of that!

surely its the space over the water that should count. Just like everything else's in this country. Boating is changing just like everything else. Not for the good. I think that a lot of genuine boaters will be scared away due to costs over the next few Years Edited August 24, 2013 by BenC

[jenlyn]

Widebeams pay the same licence as a narrow beam, thus widebeams pay towards the whole system, just as a narrowboat does. However, widebeam owners dont tend to moan about that, even though they are subsidizing those who have a narrowboat ;-)

[luctor et emergo]

It's not about moving, it's about mooring. Widebeams need twice the width to moor up, and therefore should pay double

 

Simple maths. Nobody questions the fact that longer boats pay more than shorter boats. Why should wider boats be diferent?

[kris88]

It is a worry which is why I don't like the suggestion to charge wide boats more.i suppose your right though its only going to keep getting more exspensive with rises over the rate of inflation every year

Regards kris

[luctor et emergo]

Of course i'm right. Why is it ok to charge a longer boat more than a shorter boat, but not ok to charge a wider boat more than a narrow boat?

 

Well?

[kris88]

I'm not arguing your right does that make you feel better

[BenC]

Widebeams pay the same licence as a narrow beam, thus widebeams pay towards the whole system, just as a narrowboat does. However, widebeam owners dont tend to moan about that, even though they are subsidizing those who have a narrowboat ;-)

two narrow boats in a lock, one wide beam! Twice as much water being pumped, therefore twice the licence. But, it should be the surface area, or a percentage of. Surely you can see my point

[kris88]

Why not the percentage of the system you can navigate,this would take into consideration width depth and length

[BenC]

I'm not for charging any boater more money, but its now only time. I pay time and a half for a pair, why? If a wide beam pays one license? I'm restricted on the system, and very rarely take both boats, less these days then I'd like to! Wide beams are entering the system more and more, flats in the south east. It will happen that they have to pay more in the future

Edited August 24, 2013 by BenC

[luctor et emergo]

Fair enough. It will be deducted from your increased ( allignted to width) licence fee.

[kris88]

Benc surley your answer is to weld your two boats together and pay one licence I'm shure theres a post on here about someone who does this

Regards kris

Edited August 24, 2013 by kris88

[Biggles]

Of course i'm right. Why is it ok to charge a longer boat more than a shorter boat, but not ok to charge a wider boat more than a narrow boat?

 

Well?

 

Well seeing as how you asked and just my thoughts:-

 

I would imagine that if one can afford a longer boat (when new) they must have more money. Length costs. Much like more expensive bigger engined, 4x4's and the like get to pay more road tax now days under the guise of CO2 emissions.

 

Have a google around the France issue. Loads of people were up in arms over it.

 

I'm sure it will happen here sooner or later. Marinas charge more even on linear mooring. I can see how it would work on an inside moorings though.

[peterboat]

On the Thames from memory the licence was based on square feet this was to make cabin cruisers pay more I was told. The trouble was I took up that much bank when mooring it didnt seem fair all that length and no width nobody else could park up

 

Peter