Sinkings on the Coventry

[PaddingtonBear]

Whilst the blogger takes a somewhat wry angle there is a serious issue here although I don't expect most of you to agree. The sort of continuous moorers that continue to pollute the system leave behind all sorts of crap for others to sort out at great cost no doubt. I know that the Carlt Popular Front will no doubt say that I don't know the circumstances and the boaters might like their boats like that but surely their must be a better way than to gradually block the canal with crap like this.

http://nbherbie.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/i-told-you-there-was-submarine-about.html

Edited June 16, 2013 by PaddingtonBear

[Athy]

The first sunken boat looks as if it has suffered a fire - note absence of glass in the windows.

Charity Dock is always fascinating - besides the piles of junk, sorry, spare parts, there are always some historic-looking boats moored there and being worked on. The most annoying feature of the place is that they sell diesel but we have never been able to get near enough to the pump to buy any.

[Chris Pink]

Whilst the blogger takes a somewhat wry angle there is a serious issue here although I don't expect most of you to agree. The sort of continuous moorers that continue to pollute the system leave behind all sorts of crap for others to sort out at great cost no doubt. I know that the Carlt Popular Front will no doubt say that I don't know the circumstances and the boaters might like their boats like that but surely their must be a better way than to gradually block the canal with crap like this.

http://nbherbie.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/i-told-you-there-was-submarine-about.html

You are determined to win the 'most obnoxious poster' award Mr Bear.

 

The first boat gas had a fire, the second a tragedy and all you can sneer is ' don't leave your mess in my canal'.

 

A staggering lack of any feeling for your fellow human. This recent change in your posting style does you no credit.

 

I struggle to imagine the festering resentment that you have worked yourself into.

The most annoying feature of the place is that they sell diesel but we have never been able to get near enough to the pump to buy any.

I bet it's cheap too.

[matty40s]

£1.60 a gallon!!

[Chris Pink]

That'll be why there's such a crush to get to the pump.

[PaddingtonBear]

I take that as a compliment Mr Pink as one whom is pretty high in the obnoxious stakes. The point that I am making is that no matter the circumstances, and there are tragedies of one sort or another every day, what is to be done about all the crap? leave it as a memorial? or get their insurers to pay to clear it up..........oh they don't have insurance, quell suprise!. Our insurance is just over a pound a week with up to £5000000 liability inc salvage, no excuse really. Seriously, all grumping aside, this is a serious problem which with the increasing amount of livaboards of all flavours will only get worse. How about (slightly) organising some sort of helpline/support system that people in desperate straights can turn to to get some support. It has worked in a very ad hoc way on here but it can't all rely on Carl's generosity all the time. The only problem that I can see is free riders but the RNLI copes so perhaps it is overcomeable. I suffer greatly with depression, am a dismal failure and was unemployed for over 6 years due to a major traffic accident which has left me with damaged frontal lobes so I do have a great deal of empathy but what cannot happen is that these boats are just left as it will not be long before they will breed just like in areas of graffitti and there will be a major problem andmajor cost.

[Athy]

I don't think anybody suggested that these boats belong to liveaboards. Any boat can sink and/ or suffer a fire: in fact, liveaboard craft are surely less likely to suffer such a disaster because their owners are there to look after them.

[nipper]

I believe the cruiser on the Coventry was removed a week or so ago and a stoppage notification was in progress whilst CART was removing it!

Nipper

[PaddingtonBear]

The question is at what cost? is the insurance paying?

Spontaneous combustion is a rare thing indeed.

Edited June 16, 2013 by PaddingtonBear

[larryjc]

I believe the cruiser on the Coventry was removed a week or so ago and a stoppage notification was in progress whilst CART was removing it!

Nipper

It was still there two days ago. I rang CRT as it was moving around quite freely in our wash. They were adamant it was solidly aground and they were waiting for some machinery to winch it out.

[Keeping Up]

When we passed there a month ago it was definitely floating around freely. Tethered only by the bow, it was swinging back and forth such that the stern area was creating a dangerous underwater obstruction that reached most of the way across the canal.

[PaddingtonBear]

Possibly another forlorn boat?, are they breeding? so that they can get more benefits

When we passed there a month ago it was definitely floating around freely. Tethered only by the bow, it was swinging back and forth such that the stern area was creating a dangerous underwater obstruction that reached most of the way across the canal.

Just the sort of thing for the new organisation to be involved with. At least it was afloat then.

[BlueStringPudding]

You are determined to win the 'most obnoxious poster' award Mr Bear.The first boat gas had a fire, the second a tragedy and all you can sneer is ' don't leave your mess in my canal'.A staggering lack of any feeling for your fellow human. This recent change in your posting style does you no credit.I struggle to imagine the festering resentment that you have worked yourself into.I bet it's cheap too.

and greenification

[Athy]

When we passed there a month ago it was definitely floating around freely. Tethered only by the bow, it was swinging back and forth such that the stern area was creating a dangerous underwater obstruction that reached most of the way across the canal.

A MONTH AGO? How long does it take Cart to contact the owner or, failing that, to get the boat out of the way of traffic?

[Keeping Up]

A MONTH AGO? How long does it take Cart to contact the owner or, failing that, to get the boat out of the way of traffic?

 

The miles of yellow "aware" tape looked as if it had already been there for quite a while.

[Pykebird]

It can take months for the insurance company to allow for a vessel to be recovered as those of us who are unfortunate to have been in these "boats" know too well!

As you are not aware of the any personal issues surrounding these boats and their owners, PB may I suggest a little compassion would not go amiss.

[nicknorman]

It could be that the owners of these boats had unanticipated major personal issues, but just as likely they aquired a cheap skanky boat to live on, got fed up with it after a while and walked away, leaving the fallout for someone else to deal with. In fact there will be a sliding scale with one person's idea of justifying major personal issues being different from another's. it would be just as prejudiced and foolish to presume either way.

[PaddingtonBear]

It could be that the owners of these boats had unanticipated major personal issues, but just as likely they aquired a cheap skanky boat to live on, got fed up with it after a while and walked away, leaving the fallout for someone else to deal with. In fact there will be a sliding scale with one person's idea of justifying major personal issues being different from another's. it would be just as prejudiced and foolish to presume either way.

Well said, it is very easy to get all mawkish about it all but when push comes to shove you should accept responsibility for your life and accept it and all its rubbish. If you are a looser admit it, don't fight it and just try to survive until it all becomes all so unbearable that death is so much more preferable.

[Rod a mod from Tod]

Well said, it is very easy to get all mawkish about it all but when push comes to shove you should accept responsibility for your life and accept it and all its rubbish. If you are a looser admit it, don't fight it and just try to survive until it all becomes all so unbearable that death is so much more preferable.

 

Bet they could spell loser though.

[pearley]

It can take months for the insurance company to allow for a vessel to be recovered as those of us who are unfortunate to have been in these "boats" know too well!

As you are not aware of the any personal issues surrounding these boats and their owners, PB may I suggest a little compassion would not go amiss.

But it shouldn't.

 

It shouldn't make any difference whether the insurers agree or not, the vessel should be removed as soon as possible. If the insurers are reluctant then CRT should do it and bill the owner or insurer.

 

I can't see a situation where a wrecked car would be allowed to stay on any roadway.

 

Regards

Pete

 

And I do have compassion for those who find themselves in this situation.

[nicknorman]

Bet they could spell loser though.

I think he was referring persistent diahorrea.

[PaddingtonBear]

But it shouldn't.

 

It shouldn't make any difference whether the insurers agree or not, the vessel should be removed as soon as possible. If the insurers are reluctant then CRT should do it and bill the owner or insurer.

 

I can't see a situation where a wrecked car would be allowed to stay on any roadway.

 

Regards

Pete

 

And I do have compassion for those who find themselves in this situation.

+1

[John Holden]

But it shouldn't.

 

 

 

I can't see a situation where a wrecked car would be allowed to stay on any roadway.

 

 

But would you really like the canals to be as heavily regulated as the roads?

[nicknorman]

But would you really like the canals to be as heavily regulated as the roads?

 

No but there is a happy medium. Leaving sunken boats drifting around for weeks, probably leaking oil, diesel and sulphuric acid, is too far along the anarchist continuum.

[Athy]

The only situation in which it might be reasonable to leave a sunken boat in situ would be if raising her right away could damage her - as in the case of a wooden working boat, for example. I seem to recall this happening on the North Oxford a couple of years ago (and a couple of CWF members being involved in raising the boat); specialised knowledge and techniques were required to prevent the boat breaking in half.

Not so for a Springer or a yoghurt pot, which is what the Coventry Two appear to be. So CART them away as soon as possible.