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Yet another cilling, this time in Chester

snigsnig

By snigsnig
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Yep, same thing happened to another yesterday!! Scary stuff...

 

Not scary - there is a large white line painted on locks - it's called 'Cill' Sometimes 'Cil' depending on who painted it -

 

often they are accompanied by stickers that say 'Keep your boat clear of the cill (cil) marker with a diagramatic representation of what happens if you do not.

 

Some people should not be let out alone...let alone on a boat...

Guest leeparkinson

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A lot of people are to busy pissin about instead of watching there boats these day

Timleech Veteran II

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Not scary - there is a large white line painted on locks - it's called 'Cill' Sometimes 'Cil' depending on who painted it -

 

often they are accompanied by stickers that say 'Keep your boat clear of the cill (cil) marker with a diagramatic representation of what happens if you do not.

 

Some people should not be let out alone...let alone on a boat...

 

Some of the wording that I've seen could be a bit ambiguous, to those who don't already know what it's supposed to mean.

 

Tim

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Some of the wording that I've seen could be a bit ambiguous, to those who don't already know what it's supposed to mean.

 

Tim

 

care to expand Tim? you have lost me.

Timleech Veteran II

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care to expand Tim? you have lost me.

 

 

Something like 'keep foreward of this line' without indication as to what 'foreward' means. Probably not the exact wording.

 

Tim

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No I can't give you the source for this, but I have been in meetings where the fact that there are on average 20 cillings a year has been discussed. Excess signage is not seen as the answer, although I will accept signs could be better placed

 

It is nothing new, Somewhere on my shelves I have a book by Michael Ware that includes a photo of a GU wide boat that caught on the cill at Uxbridge lock. The boat broke it's back whilst the crew were having a swift half. I'm sure this happened more frequently than this, but they didn't have the internet then.

 

And to our own shame, we managed to catch Juno's pulpit rail under one of the gates at Crofton... There but for the grace of god etc

grahame r Community Regular

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Something like 'keep foreward of this line' without indication as to what 'foreward' means. Probably not the exact wording.

 

Tim

 

Surely the cill is only a problem when going down so forward is the direction the boat is pointing?

Graham Davis Influencer

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So if MP's figures are correct at 20 a year, then it really isn't a very common occurence, is it?

 

I suspect this is like a lot of "news" nowadays, in that we only hear of it because the "news" system is almost instantaneous and national, whereas in the past what happened in Chester wouldn't have been reported in Birmingham.

Timleech Veteran II

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Surely the cill is only a problem when going down so forward is the direction the boat is pointing?

 

I think that makes optimistic assumptions about comprehension by the uninitiated.

 

Tim

Theo Veteran

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Overturns?

 

As I said earlier. Cilling causes instability and the boat capsizes.

 

Nick

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Something like 'keep foreward of this line' without indication as to what 'foreward' means. Probably not the exact wording.

 

Tim

 

Fair enough..I'm glad I wasn't really stupid when I started boating...though..

RLWP Veteran II

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Fair enough..I'm glad I wasn't really stupid when I started boating...though..

 

So it's a new thing then?

 

Richard

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Pretty Funked Up Rising Star

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If they showed a video of a boat being recovered from an empty lock to all hirees; if we had a thread of photos on here too, it could be almost eliminated.

 

Not only will they see what could potentially go wrong but they will also see the construct of a lock and how it works.

Theres a lot mystery to some people what actually goes on bellow the murky waterline!

Video and pictures can dispel that mystery :)

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Not scary

 

Really? 20 tonnes of steel tipping onto its side while you're bobbing about on it in one of the deepest locks on the system sounds pretty scary to me.

 

You shouldn't be so quick to judge, accidents can happen to anyone, even someone quite such an expert as yourself.

 

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Something like 'keep foreward of this line' without indication as to what 'foreward' means. Probably not the exact wording.

 

Tim

I know what you mean tim the sign is at the wrong end of the locks so a new boater could see the sign and try keep the boat back from the tail end getes
Roger Crown Contributor

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This season more than any I have been amazed to see the amount of boaters, private / share and hire, who have deemed to keep their boat at the rear of the lock when descending. Many within a foot or two of the cill whilst they have five or six times that space in front of the boat.

bizzard Veteran II

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As I said earlier. Cilling causes instability and the boat capsizes.

 

Nick

You could also say that it Careens it enabling you to paint the base plate.

bizzard Veteran II

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Do away with these silly cill markers i say and revert to non at all like a couple of years ago when people made sure by always keeping well forward when going down and well back when going up, just in case. Now i think they're cutting it too fine and coming unstuck. Also stop yakking to people around the lock and pay proper attention to your boat.

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nb Innisfree Veteran II

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An animated video showing various accidents might be the most effective way of getting through to people, in fact I think it should be compulsory viewing for hirers , not just ciling but the consequences of falling off the back when in reverse.

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