jenlyn Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Richard Benyon and government confirm that CART will be covered by FOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Was it in doubt??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Was it in doubt??? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Yes How so - it's (will be) a public body... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roggie Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 there was a short consultation about 1 month ago - 3 choices re FOI - won't be covered, be covered for things that didn't mind, or covered like most public bodies. Reasoning for it not being covered was that it costs a lot of money and the poor organisation might not cope. Something here but much more out on the net. There was about 6 issues being consulted on - can't find my submission though. Narrowboat World story and the DEFRA link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Glad whoever was consulted with saw sense.... caveat of course being C&RT will not have the requirement to respond to vexatious FOI requests... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaggle Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 A man was accused on here of making vexatious foi requests but has gone on to bring lots of bw nonsense into the public eye , now if his detractor had got his way bw would have refused to give the information out much more than they are doing at the moment . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roggie Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 This was a previous post about the consultation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebotco Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 How so - it's (will be) a public body... BW is a public body. CaRT will be a charity, not a public body. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenlyn Posted December 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 My link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveG Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 One wonders if CaRT will follow the precedents established by Michael Gove and Andrew Lansley who have established that using private e-mail accounts to discuss government business renders those communications outside the scope of the FOI act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 BW is a public body. CaRT will be a charity, not a public body. Brian I was using the term in the context of it's main funding streams which AFAIK will still be the public purse (and of course boaters licence fees), rather than what the organisation's 'formal' constitution will be. TBH I think anybody would have had a hard job justifying C&RT was moved outside the remit of the FOI Act given it's reliance on the above, even though from a technical point of view as a charity it may not have needed to adhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan(nb Albert) Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Glad whoever was consulted with saw sense.... caveat of course being C&RT will not have the requirement to respond to vexatious FOI requests... Under the FOIA one does not have to provide information to vexatious or repetitive requests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scholar Gypsy Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 One wonders if CaRT will follow the precedents established by Michael Gove and Andrew Lansley who have established that using private e-mail accounts to discuss government business renders those communications outside the scope of the FOI act. Please see the latest guidance from the Information Commisioner on this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveG Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Please see the latest guidance from the Information Commisioner on this point. Thanks - I hadn't seen this document. Not before time. I will be interested to see how several outstanding requests are now managed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 BW is a public body. CaRT will be a charity, not a public body. It is possible to be both...English Heritage, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan(nb Albert) Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Thanks - I hadn't seen this document. Not before time. I will be interested to see how several outstanding requests are now managed. Which requests are those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveG Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) Which requests are those? Well, for example, Dominic Cummings, aide to Michael Gove at the DfE, issued the following in response to various requests to the DfE regarding the appointment of New Schools Network, registered as a charity, and run by former Gove employee Rachel Wolf, regarding their selection as "advisors", the donation to the charity by the DfE of £1m of taxpayer money, and who their other donors are/were and whether they stand to benefit financially from the establishment of free schools.: “NSN is not giving out to you, the media or anybody else any figure on ‘expressions of interest’ for PQs, FOIs or anything else. Further, NSN has not, is not, and will never answer a single FOI request made to us concerning anything at all.” Additionally, further FOI requests for details of the NSN bid were only complied with after a 70 day delay and even then in heavily redacted form. This does lead us somewhat off topic so if the mods want to move the Q and A elsewhere that's fine. Edited December 21, 2011 by DaveG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebotco Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Well, for example, Dominic Cummings, aide to Michael Gove at the DfE, issued the following in response to various requests to the DfE regarding the appointment of New Schools Network, registered as a charity, and run by former Gove employee Rachel Wolf, regarding their selection as "advisors", the donation to the charity by the DfE of £1m of taxpayer money, and who their other donors are/were and whether they stand to benefit financially from the establishment of free schools.: “NSN is not giving out to you, the media or anybody else any figure on ‘expressions of interest’ for PQs, FOIs or anything else. Further, NSN has not, is not, and will never answer a single FOI request made to us concerning anything at all.” Additionally, further FOI requests for details of the NSN bid were only complied with after a 70 day delay and even then in heavily redacted form. This does lead us somewhat off topic so if the mods want to move the Q and A elsewhere that's fine. That is utterly disgraceful and very alarming for democracy. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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