Lister Petter canal star

[Dibbo]

New( er) boat and engine to play with....... this has a lister canal star I was wondering what oil would be recomended and does anyone know what filter it takes, always like to get one in before I start. I have a 20 litre drum of rubia TIR 6400 15w-40 engine oil. This is for the diesels we have at work and is reported to be top dollar stuff.It's says recomended for Renault V1 E3R, Volvo etc. We put it in Mercedes engines fitted to the trains we service. I used it in the Mitsubishi engine we had in previous boat and cuz i have so much changed it every 4-6 months without fail, happy to do same with Lister if oil is OK Engine runs nicely and revs freely with little smoke, but when in gear it can smoke a fair bit , enough to make me cough and splutter in a lock. Is this a normal thing for these? It has a ecorded 1300 hrs and boat dates from 1999. Thoughts and opinions as always welcome.

 

Dibbo

[WotEver]

You might do better in the Vintage Engine forums.

 

Tony

[blodger]

You might do better in the Vintage Engine forums.

 

Tony

I think Blackrose or Innisfree has an LPW4 which is a Canal Star but I think there are a few varieties including the latest. I have the three pot LPWS3 and just use the cheapest oil available but change it regularly and draw the odd litre off and top up between times.

I can never remember the filter numbers relying on the empty cardboard boxes to make a fresh purchase when I am passing a swindlery.

Mine smokes a bit if the oil level is at the top end.

Perhaps you can be clearer which incarnation you have

[Matthew Dowson]

Talk to http://www.marineengine.co.uk/ where Baldock works, they will put you right and supply you with filters. Yes these engines can smoke a bit, my LPWS4 does, I keep meaning to try an oil for older engines to see if that helps - but generally just use whatever is cheap.

[steamraiser2]

The Lister Canal Stars are belting little engines. DO change the oil often (250 hrs max) and DO NOT overfill it. Avoid home brew diesel, keep the fuel and air filters clean and most importantly DO NOT waffle along for hours at low rpm or ticking over needlessly. They thrive on being worked and a good thrash up a river now and then is a very good idea. We have had dozens of them through our workshop and can class them in two categories : fishing boat motors that have been worked to death and canal boat engines. The fishing boat motors are seldom glazed and coked the canal ones usually are.

 

Keep well oiled, regularly serviced and give them a little hard work. Bit like the missus really!

[n.b.Goldie]

I agree these are good little motors. Definately modern and not for a vintage engine forum.

 

They can smoke a bit especially if the cylinder bores are glazed due to light use. My LPWS3 has 3500 hours on the clock and does not smoke although it does leak a bit of oil from somewhere around the push-rod tubes. It always fires up first time and runs reliably with plenty of power. Re oil change interval, a 1999 model will have a 100 hour oil change. Use only Lister multigrade oil APICC 10w/40 or Morris Golden Film of the same spec. These oils have been specially formulated for canal engines.

 

I also strongly recommend that you talk to Chris Bennett at Marine Engine Services, he will put you right with any queries you have and the service on ordering parts etc. is very good.

 

Best wishes

Ditchdabbler

[nb Innisfree]

As blodger says we have a later incarnation of LPWS4 (40bhp @3000rpm) Done about 3k hours so far and runs superbly, totally smoke free and we always change oil (Lister Petter 10/40)& filter at 100 hrs or so. Hydraulic valve lifters so no adjustment of valve clearances needed, I think most of the problems associated with these engines is due to long running at tickover, if they have been run in correctly then bore glaze shouldn't be an issue provided they are given a thorough thrashing occasionally when up to working temp, in fact like most modern engines they need loading somewhat from cold to shorten warm up time. Only slight downsides are they sound a bit more 'diesely' than most(still sound nice to me though!) and have a fairly fast tickover compared to most equivalent engines but if the prop is sized correctly you don't really notice.

[Tony Brooks]

New( er) boat and engine to play with....... this has a lister canal star I was wondering what oil would be recomended and does anyone know what filter it takes, always like to get one in before I start. I have a 20 litre drum of rubia TIR 6400 15w-40 engine oil. This is for the diesels we have at work and is reported to be top dollar stuff.It's says recomended for Renault V1 E3R, Volvo etc. We put it in Mercedes engines fitted to the trains we service. I used it in the Mitsubishi engine we had in previous boat and cuz i have so much changed it every 4-6 months without fail, happy to do same with Lister if oil is OK Engine runs nicely and revs freely with little smoke, but when in gear it can smoke a fair bit , enough to make me cough and splutter in a lock. Is this a normal thing for these? It has a ecorded 1300 hrs and boat dates from 1999. Thoughts and opinions as always welcome.

 

Dibbo

 

 

Look on the drum or data sheet and find the API specification. I do not know the oil but at a guess It may well have a high API spec. which will not be ideal. Chris will tell you exactly, but I suspect your engine will be happiest on something like API CC to API CE - hence the talk of Lister branded oil being the easiest way of getting low API spec. oils nowadays.

[churchward]

New( er) boat and engine to play with....... this has a lister canal star I was wondering what oil would be recomended and does anyone know what filter it takes, always like to get one in before I start. I have a 20 litre drum of rubia TIR 6400 15w-40 engine oil. This is for the diesels we have at work and is reported to be top dollar stuff.It's says recomended for Renault V1 E3R, Volvo etc. We put it in Mercedes engines fitted to the trains we service. I used it in the Mitsubishi engine we had in previous boat and cuz i have so much changed it every 4-6 months without fail, happy to do same with Lister if oil is OK Engine runs nicely and revs freely with little smoke, but when in gear it can smoke a fair bit , enough to make me cough and splutter in a lock. Is this a normal thing for these? It has a ecorded 1300 hrs and boat dates from 1999. Thoughts and opinions as always welcome.

 

Dibbo

rubia TIR 6400 is an oil produced by TOTAL and is API CH-4/SJ ACEA E3 as its spec. This is not really suitable for the Lister CanalStar I would say although it may help flush the engine out for just one service cycle. You would be better off using an API CC spec oil. The Morris Goldenfilm 10W40 API CC is good.

 

For oil filters there are various options. I buy most of mine from the inline filters that sell mainly Baldwin filters. The provide this one for Lister Canalstar engines.

 

http://www.inlinefilters.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=935_938_942&products_id=9854

 

You would need to check it out against your engine to see if it is correct.

[Dibbo]

Thanks Folks, sorry for slow reply but we've been away for weekend and a bit. Will not use this Total stuff for general running as need to look after engine. If bores a bit glazed will a good thrash cured this?

Have a mate coming up in a couple of weeks , he's a self employed spanner man, will get all the bits and let him loose. He got the the Mitsubishi running so good it was amazing and the best thing is he's FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE