Biggles Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Hello I hear a lot of good mentions on the Whale Gulper. Am I right in thinking it doesn't have or need a sump? Biggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotswoldsman Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Hello I hear a lot of good mentions on the Whale Gulper. Am I right in thinking it doesn't have or need a sump? Biggles Best thing I ever put on my boat!!! Don't know what sump is but do know that my shower water disappears quicker than it comes in..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekazer Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I can thoroughly recommend ours. We've had it over a year with absolutely no problems. It copes with everything we put down the bath plughole It can run dry without burning itself out. It was dead easy to install - pipe in, pipe out, job's a good'un. It doesn't leak, and does not require a sump. Good little gadget, in our (limited) experience. A tad expensive. I wonder if anyone else has found a suitable cheaper alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 A sump is a box that the water goes into first then the pump sucks it out from the box, or does the shower waste go straight into the pump? Biggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotswoldsman Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 A sump is a box that the water goes into first then the pump sucks it out from the box, or does the shower waste go straight into the pump? Biggles Goes into the shower tray first, then just disappears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wanted Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Ace pump, really quick. no sump needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bag 'o' bones Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) I can thoroughly recommend ours. We've had it over a year with absolutely no problems. It copes with everything we put down the bath plughole It can run dry without burning itself out. It was dead easy to install - pipe in, pipe out, job's a good'un. It doesn't leak, and does not require a sump. Good little gadget, in our (limited) experience. A tad expensive. I wonder if anyone else has found a suitable cheaper alternative? After spending a couple of wonths waiting for a second hand one to come up on e-bay we bit the bullet and bought a new one - well my Dad did anyway! I quite agree it is an expensive pump although to be fair it is a lot of pump for the money; especially in that it has proven reliabilty and does not require a sump. The very fact it won't cleaning out every 5 minutes has got to be worth the premium. I've looked for similar offerings but it appears that the only other 'single diapragm' model available that is remotely similar is one made by Jabesco. My only gripe is the pump is incredibly noisy! This can be reduced somewhat if the pump speed is matched with the incoming flow so less air is sucked up. Edited September 14, 2010 by bag 'o' bones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ads Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Ive had two of these on my last two boats one had a sump box and the current one doesnt but never had a problem with either. Gulper 220 i assume your talking about? Yes there not the cheapest but in my eyes you get what you pay for!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePiglet Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 The only benefit you'll get from a sump is that you can have an automatic float switch. With the Gulper you have to turn it on yourself. I have a Gulper and agree about it's speed and reliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bag 'o' bones Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 The only benefit you'll get from a sump is that you can have an automatic float switch. With the Gulper you have to turn it on yourself. I have a Gulper and agree about it's speed and reliability. You can buy flow switches to activate the pump as soon as you operate the tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil TNC Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 They are virtually indestructable, I am having one on my barge. For 24v boats, Gulpers are often available on Ebay with flow switch, from disabled shower / bath units, just do general search. These normally go for peanuts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Son Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I have been looking on eBay for one of these for some time and I have never seen one go for peanuts. Perhaps you show me one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Ah so that answers my next question...... How does it start up? I take it it doesn't auto start stop. Biggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil TNC Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I have been looking on eBay for one of these for some time and I have never seen one go for peanuts. Perhaps you show me one? There does seem to be bu&&er all in the way of decent boaty stuff on Ebay at the moment. About 6 months ago I won two 24v Gulper 220's for under 30 quid. Both were ex disabled toilet, with flow switch and timer and transformer. You can buy pass the transformer and use the over run timer straight from 24v. Ebay 160481225447 12v 220 starting bid £2, 2 days to go, no bids, BIN £50 Ebay 140450135382 presumably 24v, with transformer and flow switch starting bid £10, no bids, 5 days to go Ebay 140450142379 Presumably 24v, with flow switch, £10, no bids, 5 days to go Ebay 110585486182 24v with transformer and flow switch one bid £5, 7 days to go Happy bidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Son Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Thanks. My boat is 24V. I saw an advert which showed a transformer with the pump. The output of the transformer was 21V. That was why I asked. Can I assume any Gulpher 220 with a transfomer is 24V DC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb Innisfree Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Brilliant pump, we have had our 24v one for 5 years full time, never missed a beat, actuated by a pull switch inside the shower enclosure. Can be mounted above floor level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Can be mounted above floor level. That woke me up! So you can plumb the shower outlet down and then back up to a Gulper fitted above the floor and it'll suck the water out happily? That's worth knowing. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Pink Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 That woke me up! So you can plumb the shower outlet down and then back up to a Gulper fitted above the floor and it'll suck the water out happily? That's worth knowing. Tony Yes, mines about 9" above the outlet and works fine, it takes a while to suck out the last bit but it deals with most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bag 'o' bones Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 (edited) I seem to recal reading in the installation instructions that the gulper will pump up to a height of 3 metres. 15mm Flow switches are available from Farnell for less than 10 quid and appear to be identical to the Gulper version. I think it might need a relay though. edit Safe linky http://uk.farnell.com/gentech-international/fs-10/flow-switch-15mm-0-5l-min/dp/1006772 Edited September 15, 2010 by bag 'o' bones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil TNC Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Thanks. My boat is 24V. I saw an advert which showed a transformer with the pump. The output of the transformer was 21V. That was why I asked. Can I assume any Gulpher 220 with a transfomer is 24V DC? Yep! I have tried the over run timer ciruit (which keeps the gulper ruming for around 30 secs after input water flow has ceased) direct from 24v batteries being charged and it worked OK. I seem to recal reading in the installation instructions that the gulper will pump up to a height of 3 metres. 15mm Flow switches are available from Farnell for less than 10 quid and appear to be identical to the Gulper version. I think it might need a relay though. edit Safe linky http://uk.farnell.com/gentech-international/fs-10/flow-switch-15mm-0-5l-min/dp/1006772 It certainly looks the same as the ones I got with my disabled shower jobbies. They do swith a relay in the timer/control circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Son Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Thanks Neil, I have received a response from a seller confirming their pump has 24V stamped on the bottom. My existing pump is about 450mm above the outlet and is operated using an on/off switch. Is it simple to connect in a flow switch and if I do would it switch on and off automatically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil TNC Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Thanks Neil, I have received a response from a seller confirming their pump has 24V stamped on the bottom. My existing pump is about 450mm above the outlet and is operated using an on/off switch. Is it simple to connect in a flow switch and if I do would it switch on and off automatically? The flow switch is mounted on the cold water input to the shower. You could switch the pump direct from the flow switch / 24v relay, but you really need an over run timer, so that the gulper runs for about 30 seconds to ensure the shower tray is completely emptied. If you are getting an ex-disabled shower 24v Gulper with 240v transformer, if will, if the same as my two, have the relay and timer built in. As I mentioned, this cicuit can be isolated from the transformer / rectifier and be driven direct from your 24v DC supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat B Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 15mm Flow switches are available from Farnell ............... Safe linky http://uk.farnell.com/gentech-international/fs-10/flow-switch-15mm-0-5l-min/dp/1006772 From the data sheet: "Suitable for hot and cold portable water" Should be OK on a boat then! m@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c c Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 That woke me up! So you can plumb the shower outlet down and then back up to a Gulper fitted above the floor and it'll suck the water out happily? That's worth knowing. Tony We have had one of these on the boat for 6 years and it is level with the gunnel nearly four feet above the bath outlet, sucks it up all that way and blasts it out. And with the turn of a tap, will empty the bilge as well. Hardly ever remember to clean it out and it just goes on and on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Son Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 Thanks Neil. I think it is a bit late for me to start connecting flow switches. Everything is finished in the bathroom and it would be a mare to remove everything to get at it. I will stay manual!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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