Big Steve Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 As anyone any experience of these engines? They seem remarkably good value, or are they just expensive anchors? http://www.budgetboat.co.uk/index.html Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 As anyone any experience of these engines? They seem remarkably good value, or are they just expensive anchors? http://www.budgetboat.co.uk/index.html Steve Looks amazing value. Bit worried about the 21/2 month wait but they want a 30% deposit off you with your order. Unless I've read it wrong. Would be happier to pay and take one away with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Looks amazing value. Bit worried about the 21/2 month wait but they want a 30% deposit off you with your order. Unless I've read it wrong. Would be happier to pay and take one away with me. The site does say that from mid October will be available from stock. The site has very few details about the company selling these or about the engines themself. I note that the text on the cad dawing for the 37hp-43hp engines is all in Chinese, these can be found on the one page PDF document here http://www.budgetboat.co.uk/sitebuildercon...es/27hp32hp.pdf Interesting but I think I will watch and wait on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 The site does say that from mid October will be available from stock. Yes did notice that. I'd wait as well. A new company can collect a lot of money in deposits over a 2 and half month period and then fail to deliver the goods. That was the point I was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amicus Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 And only a mobile phone number? ho-hum. Not that I'm suspicious or anything, you understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serendipity Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 And only a mobile phone number? ho-hum.Not that I'm suspicious or anything, you understand. And a mickey mouse e-mail address for the sake of a few quid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 They wouldn't get any of my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 They wouldn't get any of my money. I would check these links out before laying out any money http://whois.domaintools.com/budgetboat.co.uk http://www.ukdata.com/numbers/04938793.html caveat emptor without full details my mind is open (but my wallet is shut) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pagan witch Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 http://www.ukdata.com/numbers/04938793.html That's one heck of a useful web site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Steve Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Well, we now have an address and landline number. Who's going to be first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Well, we now have an address and landline number. Who's going to be first? Status: Dissolved company. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Orentas Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 May well be completely genuine, every company has to start somewhere and why give the existing very expensive importers / marinisers an easy time. As long as the company checks out and I would not pay up front deposits, the only thing to watch is that the gearbox is suitably sized for inland waterway use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 May well be completely genuine, every company has to start somewhere and why give the existing very expensive importers / marinisers an easy time. As long as the company checks out and I would not pay up front deposits, the only thing to watch is that the gearbox is suitably sized for inland waterway use. However, in this case, the domain is registered to a company which gave its line of business as "Retail alcoholic & other beverages", and which was dissolved 12 months ago, as a non-trading company. Would you give a deposit up front where is appears that the website was set up by such a company, and wants a hefty up front deposit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 If its possible to sell skip filling generators for £50 or a cocooned 5kw diesel generator for £500 and make a profit then £2.5k for a similarly rubbish piece of machinery looks very profitable so I'd say these are genuine but not worth having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPy Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 it would be interesting to see if these engines achieve the sound and atmospheric emissions standards needed to comply with CE requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Orentas Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 We should have lost all those chauvinistic ideas of 'British is best' this country no longer dominates the world of engineering or anything else, third world countries can be more than capable of manufacturing very good diesel engines and should we assume that their emission control is more lax than ours. China for example have been producing very good industrial engines for their own use for donkeys years, just because we never see them does not mean they are in some way inferior, when I was in Turkey a few years ago I was shown a range of engines that were the most beautifully made things I have ever seen, they were bearing a name that was completely strange to me then and still is. When I was a child, labels 'Made in Japan' or 'Made in Germany' were synonymous with rubbish quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPy Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 (edited) ............... should we assume that their emission control is more lax than ours. you're not going to like this, John, but if the engine does (EDITED) - NOT - have a certificate to show that it conforms to RCD requirements it should not be fitted in a newbuild that may be put on the market within 5 years. but then you knew that already. Edited September 12, 2007 by chris polley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Orentas Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 However, in this case, the domain is registered to a company which gave its line of business as "Retail alcoholic & other beverages", and which was dissolved 12 months ago, as a non-trading company. Would you give a deposit up front where is appears that the website was set up by such a company, and wants a hefty up front deposit? Mr. Mayalld - It's good to know that as ever you make a thorough in depth study of a post before you make your considered reply to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Mr. Mayalld - It's good to know that as ever you make a thorough in depth study of a post before you make your considered reply to it. Indeed I did. Given that the in-depth study (which took about 5 minutes) throws up some worrying information which would suggest that the would be recipient of the deposit has a poor trading history, do you think it wisest that; a) people throw their money at this guy, after all everybody has to start in business somewhere, and anybody can cock up once. go in with their eyes wide open, and reach a decision based on all available evidence as to whether this is a good deal, or an easy way to lose money. Even if the engines are fine, I wouldn't deal with such a set up other than on a COD basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Orentas Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 you're not going to like this, John, but if the engine does have a certificate to show that it conforms to RCD requirements it should not be fitted in a newbuild that may be put on the market within 5 years. but then you knew that already. Hi Chris. Of course I already knew that, but who is to say that the engines will not comply and readily attain certification. We must also be very wary of commercial protectionism. Anyway it is not everyone who wants to sell his boat within 5 years, and so it would not apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthecut Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Hi all. Leaving aside the issue of the probity of the vendors, I have to say I think caution is the order of the day, particularly if we're thinking narrowboat applications. Firstly, pushing three grand is cheap-ish, but not 'throw all caution to the wind' cheap. A little bit more and you're in with well established players. It's also worth bearing in mind that if you are going for a fully finished boat, unless you're having something special, the power unit is unlikely to account for more than 15 - 20% of the end price, and the saving against the project as a whole may just not be worth the risk. Second, one of the defining features of most privately owned narrowboats is relatively low hours use per year and power units in place for many years. I would need serious reassurance about the prospects of spares five or ten years down the line before having a bed laid specifically to accommodate an unknown power unit. With regard to quality, until someone takes the plunge, we're not going to know. We have had examples of engine components from another developing economy, where literally a few hours running produced about 20 years wear, yet a different component (sourced differently by the same supplier) has given no problems at all. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Steve Posted September 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 you're not going to like this, John, but if the engine does have a certificate to show that it conforms to RCD requirements it should not be fitted in a newbuild that may be put on the market within 5 years. but then you knew that already. I'm baffled, if it DOES have a certificate it can't be put in a newbuild? So if it doesn't have any certification, you can do what you like with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottle Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 I'm baffled, if it DOES have a certificate it can't be put in a newbuild? So if it doesn't have any certification, you can do what you like with it? I think it is a typo by Chris put in the word 'not' between does and have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Steve Posted September 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Ah! thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Steve Posted September 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 I E mailed Budget boats and have had a very interesting reply, appears to be a genuine company in league with a well established engine manufacturer in China. He's supplied lots of verifiable info. on his business dealings. I've asked him for permission to post a copy of the mail on here, just waiting his say so. Engines will be in UK on 26 Sept and available to buy, unless you want a none standard gear ratio. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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