I need to get a HID

[Biggles]

Hello

 

I know I could google this, but as there is a wealth of knowledge here I know I'll get a rounded answer rather than just go to the RYA site.

 

Any hints tips or pitfalls on the application?

[Tam & Di]

Hello

 

I know I could google this, but as there is a wealth of knowledge here I know I'll get a rounded answer rather than just go to the RYA site.

 

Any hints tips or pitfalls on the application?

 

I'm sure it's very important, but what is a HID? Why don't I have one?

[alan_fincher]

I'm sure it's very important, but what is a HID? Why don't I have one?

Well searching for "HID" on the RYA web-site yields....

 

RYA Linky

 

I'm certainly no wiser!

[Tam & Di]

Well searching for "HID" on the RYA web-site yields....

 

I'm certainly no wiser!

 

Nor did a quick search on CWF. I'm wondering if he means ENI? That is a newly devised number that has to be assigned to a ship in order for it to have ATIS-enbabled VHF. The RYA is the body which allocates them. (Fun aren't they, all these initials)

[steven wilkinson]

I have HID lights on my car!

[carlt]

Headache, insomnia and depression.

 

He needs a wooden boat.

[Guest]

Nor did a quick search on CWF.

 

The CWDF search facility won't work with anything of three digits or less anyway ----

 

I have HID lights on my car!

 

So you are one of those (insert appropriate expletives) who come the other way dazzling all in their path....

[Phoenix_V]

I think he means CIN? craft identification number (previously HIN - hull identification No)required for the rcd which he is presumably self issuing as one can for category D.

As far as I know you can only get this from the RYA for which they charge £26 (jobs for the boys eh?)

Link here

rip off England

[howardang]

Maybe he means a HIN - Hull Identification Number?

 

http://www.yachtdata.co.uk/yachtdatafiles/HIN%20Number%20identification.htm

 

Howard

[steven wilkinson]

 

So you are one of those (insert appropriate expletives) who come the other way dazzling all in their path....

 

 

yes - and I am going to put one on the front of my boat too! You can never have too much light!

 

(actually, I have the simple H4 bulbs - I just added my comment for comedy effect! I too question the alignment and beam focus of these HID things! Big German cars seem to have the worst - one little bump and it looks like the (instert appropriate expletive) Audi behind is flashing his main beam!)

[Tam & Di]

Maybe he means a HIN - Hull Identification Number?

 

http://www.yachtdata.co.uk/yachtdatafiles/HIN%20Number%20identification.htm

 

Howard

 

That looks the most likely. While you're about it though Biggles you may as well get the European Vessel Identification Number (ENI) which is 140 (for UK) followed by a 5 digit number, and which also comes from RYA. You have to have one of those so you can have an ATIS-enabled VHF (automatic transmission identification system, I believe) which is mandatory for continental Europe - 2 sets for Belgium and some other countries, even for small craft such as yours. The ENI number has to be displayed on a panel/board in 10cm letters for craft <20m.

[rjasmith]

Yes I also think you meant to type HIN rather than HID. But as mentioned earlier, the acronym "HIN" (Hull Identification No.) has now for some years been replaced by "CIN" (Craft Identification No.)

 

The CIN has to be issued by an RCD Notified Body. There are four currently in the UK but the RYA is probably the best known. (It took me a few seconds to find the others via Google).

 

I got my CIN from RYA a while back. It's very straightforward - you just fill in their form which can be downloaded from their website, send it off with the fee of £26 or whatever it is now and they will send you back a nice certificate with your unique number.

 

Don't forget you need to mark the hull with your CIN in two places as specified in ISO 10087!

 

Richard

[Biggles]

I have just rung the RYA and a very helpful lady has discussed ny needs and even emaild the application forms.

 

I have to regester with the SSR and it's better in my case to get the European number.

[rjasmith]

I have just rung the RYA and a very helpful lady has discussed ny needs and even emaild the application forms.

 

I have to regester with the SSR and it's better in my case to get the European number.

 

Presumably you will need a CIN (for RCD compliance) as well as the ENI which is for other purposes?

 

You make it sound as though one can take the place of the other unless I've misunderstood your last post!

 

Richard

[Phoenix_V]

Good eh

CIN

EIN

SSR

BW No (though free in their case)

All jobs for the boys,

where to put all those numbers, I need a bigger boat

Edited January 5, 2012 by Phoenix_V

[blackrose]

Presumably you will need a CIN (for RCD compliance)

 

Is this the only reason to get a CIN or is it also used to register on the SSR?

 

The builders welded a number on the inside of my hull, inside the gas locker and in the engine hole: LBC3065. Is that the HIN or just a builders number?

Edited January 5, 2012 by blackrose

[ChrisPy]

LBC told me it is their invoice number which they use to identify each hull, so effectively it is their own builder's number, but is not related to the HIN (or CIN). can still be used as a unique identification though.

Edited January 5, 2012 by ChrisPy

[blackrose]

LBC told me it is their invoice number which they use to identify each hull, so effectively it is their own builder's number, but is not related to the HIN (or CIN). can still be used as a unique identification though.

 

I see, thanks.

 

So why would I want a HIN or CIN? (My boat isn't RCD compliant).

Edited January 5, 2012 by blackrose

[Biggles]

Presumably you will need a CIN (for RCD compliance) as well as the ENI which is for other purposes?

 

You make it sound as though one can take the place of the other unless I've misunderstood your last post!

 

Richard

 

Well I wondered that but she said I could have one or the other. Seeing as how I will use the boat in France and the VHF thing the Eurhopean one seemed to fit the bill.

 

I will check back though. She seemed to know her stuff.

 

I see, thanks.

 

So why would I want a HIN or CIN? (My boat isn't RCD compliant).

 

If it was built before 1998 i think, then no. HIN are 14 characters long i think.

[ChrisPy]

I see, thanks.

 

So why would I want a HIN or CIN? (My boat isn't RCD compliant).

AFAIK it is only required for RCD.

[journeyperson]

Well I wondered that but she said I could have one or the other. Seeing as how I will use the boat in France and the VHF thing the Eurhopean one seemed to fit the bill.

 

I will check back though. She seemed to know her stuff.

 

 

 

If it was built before 1998 i think, then no. HIN are 14 characters long i think.

 

Is this a typo or is it official Brusselspeak to describe eurozone members?

[rjasmith]

Well I wondered that but she said I could have one or the other. Seeing as how I will use the boat in France and the VHF thing the Eurhopean one seemed to fit the bill.

 

I will check back though. She seemed to know her stuff.

 

Sounds like you were talking to Tricia Grady in the RYA dept that deals with RCD matters in their role as a UK Notified Body. I agree she is very helpful and knowledgeable.

 

I know nothing about the other requirements for id nos if you take a boat to sea and/or on to European waterways. I expect there could be all sorts of them for different purposes!

 

The root of all RCD requirements goes back to the "Essential Requirements" (Annexe 1) in the directive itself and para 2.1 of that Annexe requires all RCD compliant craft to have a unique CIN (used to be called HIN until the RCD was amended in 2003).

 

However as with all the "ERs", they are quite loosely defined in the RCD itself and that's why the "harmonised ISO standards", containing much more detail, were brought out to make it easier to comply.

 

In other words, if you meet the ISO you will be OK with the RCD ERs. The CIN is covered by its very own standard (ISO 10087)!

 

But I believe you can do something that isn't in line with an RCD ISO so long as you can demonstrate that it is nevertheless in accord with the ERs. So a different sort of id. no. containing the same info could well be deemed acceptable I suppose.

 

I would certainly check again on this with Tricia!

 

Richard

[Biggles]

Richard. I will before I part with any fees. As you can imagine if its wrong I bet the fees aren't refundable.