DeanS Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Hello all. I'm about to cruise out of Manchester and head to Wigan dry dock. I'm hoping to paint the boat among a full list of other jobs (a full refit out probably ;-) Where can I get owatrol? I'm hoping to paint the boat this colour. and hoping to buy the paint at B&Q (Dulux gloss/weathershield...some sort of good oil based paint...?) I've also found that Dulux have a decorator centre very close to the dry dock...here.....but does anyone know if they do in house paint colour mixing? cheers d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul G2 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 I haven't a clue about your questions, but I do like your choice of colors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanS Posted June 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 I haven't a clue about your questions, but I do like your choice of colors! Go to bed! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 There's a tin on the shelf at Aqueduct Marina chandlery. Extrapolating this.....(because I know you're going to say you won't pass there) try any reasonably-sized chandlers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Midland Chandlers sell Owatrol, as do Wharf House NBs at Braunston. Insanely expensive though. MtB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Tee Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) A Dulux trade centre will mix for you, but might take a few days to get the base for the mix if not in stock. I'm fairly sure that Weathershield is still available as gloss oil based, but I'm not so sure about undercoat, and if you use another undercoat, will it react with whatever Dulux put in the weathershield? I tried a trade centre 3 years ago when painting my boat - won't go into it all here, but eventually I got all my money back and won't go near Dulux again. Bought from Craftmaster and the price was similar to the trade centre and quality was off the scale in comparison. eta - and Craftmaster do their own 'Owatrol' under a different name Edited June 25, 2014 by Mike Tee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Veering off obliquely, what do you need the Owatrol for Dean? MtB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Owatrol is a paint conditioner. Added judiciously, it improves paint flow without significantly reducing the viscosity. I use a related product constantly when signwriting, mine is dedicated to the paint I use. The Craftmaster product is called PPA. Developed by Phil when he ran Craftmaster, the initials stand for Phil's Paint Adjuster. Hope this helps. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Owatrol is a paint conditioner. Added judiciously, it improves paint flow without significantly reducing the viscosity. I use a related product constantly when signwriting, mine is dedicated to the paint I use. The Craftmaster product is called PPA. Developed by Phil when he ran Craftmaster, the initials stand for Phil's Paint Adjuster. Hope this helps. Dave Thanks Dave. I was never sure what it was. The bit I don't understand is why paint manufacturers don't improve their paint flow in the first place so no-one needs to add Owatrol... Oh... is it so we all buy Owatrol as well??! MtB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil2 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Owatrol's not just a paint conditioner, it's a very effective rust treatment and that's probably what most NB owners would have used it for. Unlike many so called rust converters Owatrol doesn't attack the rust but it purges any moisture from it and then forms a protective seal so you can paint over the rust without it reforming, so you might call it a rust stabiliser. It's expensive because it actually works. It can also be used as a primer for painting wood, or just for protecting wood. I'm fairly sure you can use it on any type of metal so it can be used to protect all sorts of stuff from corrosion. Chandleries sell it but usually only the small tins. Most specialist paint suppliers will sell the bigger tins (1 litre) but you can also buy it direct from Owatrol. I'd expect to pay about £35 for a litre either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace and Favour Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 DeanS - - - Owatrol linky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveller Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 I'm fairly sure that Weathershield is still available as gloss oil based, but I'm not so sure about undercoat, and if you use another undercoat, will it react with whatever Dulux put in the weathershield? Blast! is that really true as I was going to use Weathershield on my roof which is already undercoated, but not with Weathershield. Also will Weathershield undercoat adhere ok to existing paint finishes (that are sound) Neil2 thanks for the info on Owatrol. Does that product conflict with Weatherhield do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Hello all. I'm about to cruise out of Manchester and head to Wigan dry dock. I'm hoping to paint the boat among a full list of other jobs (a full refit out probably ;-) Where can I get owatrol? I'm hoping to paint the boat this colour. and hoping to buy the paint at B&Q (Dulux gloss/weathershield...some sort of good oil based paint...?) I've also found that Dulux have a decorator centre very close to the dry dock...here.....but does anyone know if they do in house paint colour mixing? cheers d My first lot of Owatrol came from the Dulux trade place...so you could try there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil2 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Blast! is that really true as I was going to use Weathershield on my roof which is already undercoated, but not with Weathershield. Also will Weathershield undercoat adhere ok to existing paint finishes (that are sound) Neil2 thanks for the info on Owatrol. Does that product conflict with Weatherhield do you know? Owatrol CIP is compatible with any paint finish, as far as I know, it would certainly be ok with weathershield. Standard Owatrol oil would be fine with any paint that uses white spirit as a thinner/cleaner. Looking at the specs for Owatrol products they do recommend the CIP version for harsh and marine environments, which suggests it is more specifically for corrosion protection. It would be worth trying it out on say, a rudder, and seeing if it stands the test of being immersed in a canal for a year or two. Incidentally I've just noticed my local chandlery is selling 1 litre tins of Owatrol oil at £21 which is much cheaper than buying it direct and, interestingly, a lot less than the last lot I bought from a trade paint supplier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanS Posted June 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 while on the subject...lets say I had a 5Litre tin of paint....how much owatrol do you mix in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil2 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 while on the subject...lets say I had a 5Litre tin of paint....how much owatrol do you mix in? For a finishing coat I think it's about 10% so you'd need 1/2 litre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Androo Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 I use a related product constantly when signwriting, mine is dedicated to the paint I use. Dave Would that be 1 SHOT High/Low Temp Reducer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Androo Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Hello all. I'm about to cruise out of Manchester and head to Wigan dry dock. I'm hoping to paint the boat among a full list of other jobs (a full refit out probably ;-) Where can I get owatrol? Ebay limekilnlimitedchandlers £15.80 inc P & P for 500ml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV44 Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Brewers should be able to get it for you if there is one near to you and some have it on the shelf ,Superb product we use loads of it at work on exteriors in the summer makes stuff flow in the brush without taking the guts out of the paint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Androo I normally use the standard One Shot 6000 reducer, I have the high and low temperature versions in my workshop, but I haven't used either for a long time, probably because I usually work in paint docks in normal temperatures these days. Occasionally I'll work outdoors, although I prefer not to struggle with the elements these days. Thanks for asking. Cheers Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayke Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 I have been told that boiled linseed oil works just as well, so you shoul be able to buy this from DIY shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 Linseed oil was used long before Owatrol, I think. I have used it, mixed with white spirit, to thin scumble oil, it does seem to stretch out drying time. I've only ever used Owatrol as a rust killer once, wasn't too impressed, to be honest, but it may have been me at fault. A fellow painter once described it as " f******** fish oil!" Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil2 Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Linseed oil was used long before Owatrol, I think. I have used it, mixed with white spirit, to thin scumble oil, it does seem to stretch out drying time. I've only ever used Owatrol as a rust killer once, wasn't too impressed, to be honest, but it may have been me at fault. A fellow painter once described it as " f******** fish oil!" Dave Dave - I think it's important to remember that Owatrol doesn't claim to be a rust killer/converter like eg Jenolite, Kurust etc. what it does is purge moisture from rust and then seals it so that it can't develop further. I've used it on all sorts of rusty items and it really does work provided you use it on this basis. The "fish oil" thing is one of those urban myths. There's a story that Owatrol was invented after someone noticed that certain fishing trawlers weren't as rusty as others, concluded it was the result of catching "oily" fish, and started marketing a refined fish oil under the brand name Owatrol. Like many such stories it is of course total rubbish. But the fact is no-one apart from the boffins at Owatrol actually know what is in it - attempts have been made to replicate it without success. Incidentally, there are a lot of MSP's (multi surface paints) about these days, and I notice Owatrol have started selling their own. I've heard it said one of the drawbacks of these MSP's is they are not so good on metal, but with Owatrol's technology you would expect their product to be much better in this respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odana Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Nice colour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 (edited) Owatrol CIP is compatible with any paint finish, as far as I know, On the can I think it says it's compatible with any paint using white spirit as the thinner, so I didn't use it with Bonda Primer because it's cellulose thinners based, but I used it with the undercoat and topcoats. On the subject of cheaper gloss paints, people should try International 10 Year Gloss. I think it's really good and half the price of marine gloss topcoats. I actually found some at a discount shop for £9.95 for 2.5 litre cans, which is probably a quarter of the price of marine paint. I think you can get it on ebay for around that price too. It's available in about 7 or 8 different colours. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/International-10-Year-Exterior-Gloss-2-5-Litre-Tin-Various-Colours-Available/270846614967?_trksid=p0.c100204.m3164&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23345%26meid%3D7933014292714599152%26pid%3D100204%26prg%3D9920%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D20%26sd%3D121266697161 Edited June 28, 2014 by blackrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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