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Hello all. I'm about to cruise out of Manchester and head to Wigan dry dock. I'm hoping to paint the boat among a full list of other jobs (a full refit out probably ;-)

 

Where can I get owatrol?

I'm hoping to paint the boat this colour.

 

and hoping to buy the paint at B&Q (Dulux gloss/weathershield...some sort of good oil based paint...?)

 

I've also found that Dulux have a decorator centre very close to the dry dock...here.....but does anyone know if they do in house paint colour mixing?

 

cheers

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A Dulux trade centre will mix for you, but might take a few days to get the base for the mix if not in stock. I'm fairly sure that Weathershield is still available as gloss oil based, but I'm not so sure about undercoat, and if you use another undercoat, will it react with whatever Dulux put in the weathershield?

 

I tried a trade centre 3 years ago when painting my boat - won't go into it all here, but eventually I got all my money back and won't go near Dulux again. Bought from Craftmaster and the price was similar to the trade centre and quality was off the scale in comparison.

 

eta - and Craftmaster do their own 'Owatrol' under a different name

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Owatrol is a paint conditioner. Added judiciously, it improves paint flow without significantly reducing the viscosity. I use a related product constantly when signwriting, mine is dedicated to the paint I use. The Craftmaster product is called PPA. Developed by Phil when he ran Craftmaster, the initials stand for Phil's Paint Adjuster. Hope this helps.

 

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Owatrol is a paint conditioner. Added judiciously, it improves paint flow without significantly reducing the viscosity. I use a related product constantly when signwriting, mine is dedicated to the paint I use. The Craftmaster product is called PPA. Developed by Phil when he ran Craftmaster, the initials stand for Phil's Paint Adjuster. Hope this helps.

 

Dave

 

 

Thanks Dave. I was never sure what it was.

 

The bit I don't understand is why paint manufacturers don't improve their paint flow in the first place so no-one needs to add Owatrol...

 

Oh... is it so we all buy Owatrol as well??!

 

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Owatrol's not just a paint conditioner, it's a very effective rust treatment and that's probably what most NB owners would have used it for. Unlike many so called rust converters Owatrol doesn't attack the rust but it purges any moisture from it and then forms a protective seal so you can paint over the rust without it reforming, so you might call it a rust stabiliser. It's expensive because it actually works. It can also be used as a primer for painting wood, or just for protecting wood. I'm fairly sure you can use it on any type of metal so it can be used to protect all sorts of stuff from corrosion.

 

Chandleries sell it but usually only the small tins. Most specialist paint suppliers will sell the bigger tins (1 litre) but you can also buy it direct from Owatrol. I'd expect to pay about £35 for a litre either way.

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I'm fairly sure that Weathershield is still available as gloss oil based, but I'm not so sure about undercoat, and if you use another undercoat, will it react with whatever Dulux put in the weathershield?

 

 

Blast! is that really true as I was going to use Weathershield on my roof which is already undercoated, but not with Weathershield. Also will Weathershield undercoat adhere ok to existing paint finishes (that are sound)

 

Neil2 thanks for the info on Owatrol. Does that product conflict with Weatherhield do you know?

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Hello all. I'm about to cruise out of Manchester and head to Wigan dry dock. I'm hoping to paint the boat among a full list of other jobs (a full refit out probably ;-)

 

Where can I get owatrol?

I'm hoping to paint the boat this colour.

 

and hoping to buy the paint at B&Q (Dulux gloss/weathershield...some sort of good oil based paint...?)

 

I've also found that Dulux have a decorator centre very close to the dry dock...here.....but does anyone know if they do in house paint colour mixing?

 

cheers

d

My first lot of Owatrol came from the Dulux trade place...so you could try there.

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Blast! is that really true as I was going to use Weathershield on my roof which is already undercoated, but not with Weathershield. Also will Weathershield undercoat adhere ok to existing paint finishes (that are sound)

 

Neil2 thanks for the info on Owatrol. Does that product conflict with Weatherhield do you know?

Owatrol CIP is compatible with any paint finish, as far as I know, it would certainly be ok with weathershield. Standard Owatrol oil would be fine with any paint that uses white spirit as a thinner/cleaner.

 

Looking at the specs for Owatrol products they do recommend the CIP version for harsh and marine environments, which suggests it is more specifically for corrosion protection. It would be worth trying it out on say, a rudder, and seeing if it stands the test of being immersed in a canal for a year or two.

 

Incidentally I've just noticed my local chandlery is selling 1 litre tins of Owatrol oil at £21 which is much cheaper than buying it direct and, interestingly, a lot less than the last lot I bought from a trade paint supplier.

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Brewers should be able to get it for you if there is one near to you and some have it on the shelf ,Superb product we use loads of it at work on exteriors in the summer makes stuff flow in the brush without taking the guts out of the paint

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Androo

 

I normally use the standard One Shot 6000 reducer, I have the high and low temperature versions in my workshop, but I haven't used either for a long time, probably because I usually work in paint docks in normal temperatures these days. Occasionally I'll work outdoors, although I prefer not to struggle with the elements these days. Thanks for asking.

 

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Dave

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Linseed oil was used long before Owatrol, I think. I have used it, mixed with white spirit, to thin scumble oil, it does seem to stretch out drying time.

 

I've only ever used Owatrol as a rust killer once, wasn't too impressed, to be honest, but it may have been me at fault. A fellow painter once described it as " f******** fish oil!"

 

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Linseed oil was used long before Owatrol, I think. I have used it, mixed with white spirit, to thin scumble oil, it does seem to stretch out drying time.

 

I've only ever used Owatrol as a rust killer once, wasn't too impressed, to be honest, but it may have been me at fault. A fellow painter once described it as " f******** fish oil!"

 

Dave

Dave - I think it's important to remember that Owatrol doesn't claim to be a rust killer/converter like eg Jenolite, Kurust etc. what it does is purge moisture from rust and then seals it so that it can't develop further. I've used it on all sorts of rusty items and it really does work provided you use it on this basis.

 

The "fish oil" thing is one of those urban myths. There's a story that Owatrol was invented after someone noticed that certain fishing trawlers weren't as rusty as others, concluded it was the result of catching "oily" fish, and started marketing a refined fish oil under the brand name Owatrol. Like many such stories it is of course total rubbish. But the fact is no-one apart from the boffins at Owatrol actually know what is in it - attempts have been made to replicate it without success.

 

 

Incidentally, there are a lot of MSP's (multi surface paints) about these days, and I notice Owatrol have started selling their own. I've heard it said one of the drawbacks of these MSP's is they are not so good on metal, but with Owatrol's technology you would expect their product to be much better in this respect.

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Owatrol CIP is compatible with any paint finish, as far as I know,

 

On the can I think it says it's compatible with any paint using white spirit as the thinner, so I didn't use it with Bonda Primer because it's cellulose thinners based, but I used it with the undercoat and topcoats.

 

On the subject of cheaper gloss paints, people should try International 10 Year Gloss. I think it's really good and half the price of marine gloss topcoats. I actually found some at a discount shop for £9.95 for 2.5 litre cans, which is probably a quarter of the price of marine paint. I think you can get it on ebay for around that price too.

 

It's available in about 7 or 8 different colours.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/International-10-Year-Exterior-Gloss-2-5-Litre-Tin-Various-Colours-Available/270846614967?_trksid=p0.c100204.m3164&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23345%26meid%3D7933014292714599152%26pid%3D100204%26prg%3D9920%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D20%26sd%3D121266697161

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