Wakefield to Barking Creek

[wrigglefingers]

Hey folks, my lovely American friend, Wren, is much taken by this here boat.

 

I reckon it'll weigh in at about 60 tonnes or so - so how can it be moved from Wakefield to Barking?

 

Apparently the engine works but the hydraulic steering gear 'needs attention'. And is there anyone who could come out and give her the benefit of some proper advice rather than my more vague suggestion of that's a nice colour of paint that needs another layer there ....

Edited February 14, 2012 by wrigglefingers

[mykaskin]

Nice boat. Take it around the coast - Fix the steering issue and then no problem.

[Guest]

Love em...

[mykaskin]

Hey folks, my lovely American friend, Wren, is much taken by this here boat.

 

 

By the way, I suspect it isn't 13.5 foot (but don't know), but far more likely to 14.5 foot or more. Check before purchase because it will limit it's use and therefore resale value.

 

Mike

Edited February 14, 2012 by mykaskin

[andywatson]

Danny Williamson is a well respected Gardner specialist and conveniently lives a few miles away between Doncaster and Wakefield.

He also has a Gardner engined vintage towing barge.

 

He has retired more times than Frank Sinatra so may not be immediately available but he's worth a try.

I'll PM you his phone number.

[wrigglefingers]

By the way, I suspect it isn't 13.5 foot (but don't know), but far more likely to 14.5 foot or more. Check before purchase because it will limit it's use and therefore resale value.

 

Mike

 

I wondered about that too - the broker seems convinced but then it's a BW sale so it could be anything ..

[Arthur Brown]

There is a nice route down the M1 and round the M25 to the North Circular with crane at each end -cost a fortune though. Several heavy haulage firms would quote inc all the permissions en route. Realistically it's just a 60T machine tha needs moving!

 

The alternative route is by water to the Trent and Humber, round lincolnshire and East Anglia to the Thames.

Without a coastal skipper with insurance and satisfactory survey, and full SOLAS for all on board I'd look carefully at the dry option.

 

Unless there is a recent survey and proof that the batteries and engine are totaly reliable and the fuel tanks are thoruoghly clean and full then the sea journey is a risk that the insurers may not take. Even less so in the spring when one decent North Sea wind could make the voyage most unpleasant.

Even the cost of nav lights navigation equipment and charts and VHF marine band wireless - which are unlikely to be of ongoing use - need to be factored into the costs.

 

At a cruise consumption of one mile per gallon you are going to use 300 gallons to do the journey - without any safety factor- this will cost £1500 if red is OK or up to £2500 if derv is to be used.

 

Plan carefully!

[triumphman]

We looked at that two years ago it was for sale by BW is it still at Stanley Ferry

[wrigglefingers]

We looked at that two years ago it was for sale by BW is it still at Stanley Ferry

 

Yes, I get the feeling that it's a bit grim, but it's not my choice so ...

Edited February 14, 2012 by wrigglefingers

[ditchcrawler]

There is a nice route down the M1 and round the M25 to the North Circular with crane at each end -cost a fortune though. Several heavy haulage firms would quote inc all the permissions en route. Realistically it's just a 60T machine tha needs moving!

 

The alternative route is by water to the Trent and Humber, round lincolnshire and East Anglia to the Thames.

Without a coastal skipper with insurance and satisfactory survey, and full SOLAS for all on board I'd look carefully at the dry option.

 

Unless there is a recent survey and proof that the batteries and engine are totaly reliable and the fuel tanks are thoruoghly clean and full then the sea journey is a risk that the insurers may not take. Even less so in the spring when one decent North Sea wind could make the voyage most unpleasant.

Even the cost of nav lights navigation equipment and charts and VHF marine band wireless - which are unlikely to be of ongoing use - need to be factored into the costs.

 

At a cruise consumption of one mile per gallon you are going to use 300 gallons to do the journey - without any safety factor- this will cost £1500 if red is OK or up to £2500 if derv is to be used.

 

Plan carefully!

And what about the stone fireplace if it gets a bit choppy.

[wrigglefingers]

And what about the stone fireplace if it gets a bit choppy.

 

I don't think anything is exactly fixed down!

[Guest]

I don't think anything is exactly fixed down!

 

What an adventure though....

[Timleech]

There is a nice route down the M1 and round the M25 to the North Circular with crane at each end -cost a fortune though. Several heavy haulage firms would quote inc all the permissions en route. Realistically it's just a 60T machine tha needs moving!

 

The alternative route is by water to the Trent and Humber, round lincolnshire and East Anglia to the Thames.

Without a coastal skipper with insurance and satisfactory survey, and full SOLAS for all on board I'd look carefully at the dry option.

 

Unless there is a recent survey and proof that the batteries and engine are totaly reliable and the fuel tanks are thoruoghly clean and full then the sea journey is a risk that the insurers may not take. Even less so in the spring when one decent North Sea wind could make the voyage most unpleasant.

Even the cost of nav lights navigation equipment and charts and VHF marine band wireless - which are unlikely to be of ongoing use - need to be factored into the costs.

 

At a cruise consumption of one mile per gallon you are going to use 300 gallons to do the journey - without any safety factor- this will cost £1500 if red is OK or up to £2500 if derv is to be used.

 

Plan carefully!

 

There's a fair chance it would fit through the Fossdyke to get to Boston, though it's a bit longer than the official maximum. Anyone serious about taking it to London would do well to find out whether it's ever been that way.

 

I don't know where your one mile per gallon comes from? I should think 3 or 4 miles per gallon would be nearer the mark unless really pushing hard.

 

Tim

[wrigglefingers]

There's a fair chance it would fit through the Fossdyke to get to Boston, though it's a bit longer than the official maximum. Anyone serious about taking it to London would do well to find out whether it's ever been that way.

 

I don't know where your one mile per gallon comes from? I should think 3 or 4 miles per gallon would be nearer the mark unless really pushing hard.

 

Tim

 

 

It's Gardner 5LW so a bit of lump. (Says the girl with the Beta Tug which looks a little Toytown by comparison ...)

Edited February 14, 2012 by wrigglefingers

[Timleech]

It's Gardner 5LW so a bit of lump. (Says the girl with the Beta Tug which looks a little Toytown by comparison ...)

 

I used to have a (shared) Humber Keel with a 4LW, didn't use anywhere near a gallon per mile. I doubt we even used a gallon to cover a mile over the land coming up the Rhone, though don't have figures to back that up.

 

Tim

[Arthur Brown]

OK someone come up with a better estimate! My whole point was that this boat will cost for transit bt road or by sea, Both will be an adventure! Which method is cost favoured will depend on tha actual costs involved some of which have to be estimates.

 

Has the proposed owner secured a fully floating mooring at Barking Creek? I drive that way often and see some tidal drying moorings too.

 

If the boat has to come out of the water for survey prior to the voyage, then straight onto a low loader is a reasonable move.

 

How long is it since the vessel made a voyage under its own power?

[Timleech]

OK someone come up with a better estimate! My whole point was that this boat will cost for transit bt road or by sea, Both will be an adventure!

 

I thought I just did

 

I agree with your general point, but not your figures.

 

Tim

[tillergirl]

Mal Nicholson who renovated Spider T might be worth a shout ............contact details here Linky

[blackrose]

By the way, I suspect it isn't 13.5 foot (but don't know), but far more likely to 14.5 foot or more. Check before purchase because it will limit it's use and therefore resale value.

 

Mike

 

Where would the 14.5ft beam limit its use? It's 80ft long.

[wrigglefingers]

OK someone come up with a better estimate! My whole point was that this boat will cost for transit bt road or by sea, Both will be an adventure! Which method is cost favoured will depend on tha actual costs involved some of which have to be estimates.

 

Has the proposed owner secured a fully floating mooring at Barking Creek? I drive that way often and see some tidal drying moorings too.

 

If the boat has to come out of the water for survey prior to the voyage, then straight onto a low loader is a reasonable move.

 

How long is it since the vessel made a voyage under its own power?

 

A moot point I think. The engine was running in the summer apparently but the broker coughed up to some 'issues' with the hydraulic steering. I'm running up to Wakefield on Sunday to see how bad it is....

[Arthur Brown]

Ask serious questions about batteries, engine, starting, hydraulics, and big time bilge pumps -that would pump out the odd wave full of water (not a battery toy which may be perfect on the canal!)

 

Try to evaluate the additions needed for the sea voyage, Compass, nav set, sat nav, sextant charts etc. Would marine regs demand radar, echo sounder, transponders, weather radar? Anchors chains whinches could possibly be borrowed but all have to be found.

[carlt]

Try to evaluate the additions needed for the sea voyage, Compass, nav set, sat nav, sextant charts etc. Would marine regs demand radar, echo sounder, transponders, weather radar? Anchors chains whinches could possibly be borrowed but all have to be found.

If the boat is going to sit in the mud as a houseboat then the seagoing stuff can all be borrowed (If the prospective owner joins the forum and can put up with my bullying then I have most stuff in the garage, waiting for my next sea boat).

 

No need for radar though there is much missing from your list.

 

If they are planning on using the boat then the seagoing stuff is a necessary investment anyway.

[wrigglefingers]

If the boat is going to sit in the mud as a houseboat then the seagoing stuff can all be borrowed (If the prospective owner joins the forum and can put up with my bullying then I have most stuff in the garage, waiting for my next sea boat).

 

No need for radar though there is much missing from your list.

 

If they are planning on using the boat then the seagoing stuff is a necessary investment anyway.

 

Thanks Carl, I'll bear it in mind. I'm going to see her on Sunday for a preliminary peer and poke. It's not going to be my boat so I can be absolutely objective and ruthless. I think she could be a very, very nice boat with some work, and Wren would be one of the few people to be able to satisfy BW's requirement of having a recognised residential mooring. However, I am concerned about the work needed and how manageable it would be. If it could be done in small chunks as funds allow then that'd be fine but if it's a lot at the start of the project then maybe not. It's in the realms of a possible not a probable at the moment.

 

And thank you to all the other folk who have contributed, I'll let you know what I find on Sunday. I must admit, I really like the look of the hull and one day .....

[carlt]

I think she could be a very, very nice boat with some work, and Wren would be one of the few people to be able to satisfy BW's requirement of having a recognised residential mooring.

Barking Creek is PLA, not BW.

 

What is the name of the boat, btw?

[Arthur Brown]

I like the look of the boat, and it would fit in well at the mooring. However there are technical issues with either method of arrival which need a solution which usually means cash. Have a good nosey round and look wherever the dealer tries to lead you away from! If you can look at the steering with a realistic eye then so much the better -you can't hope to sail it without rudder control. Ainscough cranes have depot about a mile from Barking wharf.