Heffalump Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I'm here all week. And the next... hopefully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinClark Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Some time later a woman arrived at my mooring, with exactly the same story. I told her that the police had said there was nothing they could do, for me, as it was a civil matter. I hadn't realised that theft was a civil matter. Are you sure the police didn't mean "Go away, we can't be bothered?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I hadn't realised that theft was a civil matter. Are you sure the police didn't mean "Go away, we can't be bothered?" They said that, as I had sold the boats to him, he owed me money, therefore it was a civil matter. Mentioning fraud (as he never intended paying) and the theft of the outboard merely provoked a glazed look to pass over their faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Nibble Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 They said that, as I had sold the boats to him, he owed me money, therefore it was a civil matter. Mentioning fraud (as he never intended paying) and the theft of the outboard merely provoked a glazed look to pass over their faces. Fairly standard fob-off. What is that boat tied to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Rider Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) They said that, as I had sold the boats to him, he owed me money, therefore it was a civil matter. Mentioning fraud (as he never intended paying) and the theft of the outboard merely provoked a glazed look to pass over their faces. In all fairness it's a fine line between 'obtaining property by deception' (can't see it being theft) & a bad business transaction. All depends on the circs of course, but it would take some proving that he intended to deceive when he took the goods away. Edit for spell Edited March 12, 2011 by Midnight Rider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 All depends on the circs of course, but it would take some proving that he intended to deceive when he took the goods away. Edit for spell I sort of got the impression he had no intention to pay when he laughed in my face and said "You're not getting a penny out of me, you f**king fool!" I'm not sure how I knew...probably his body language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Rider Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Yes, understood, but this was not at the time that he took the goods away. You might have had a chance if he had form for the same sort of thing but otherwise very difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Yes, understood, but this was not at the time that he took the goods away. You might have had a chance if he had form for the same sort of thing but otherwise very difficult. I'm aware of that, thanks. Why do you think I didn't pursue it but just put it down as one of life's little lessons? I have had a few years to mull it over. His Dad told me he'd done it before, sadly after the event, and, as the police woman he conned showed, he did it again, too. Edited March 12, 2011 by carlt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Nibble Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Hmmmm, bloke who seems to have a habit of deliberately ripping people off gets his boat burned. Looks like mystery solved to me. It's a Kharma thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiomariner Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Thanks for enlightening me Carlt. Now .In my late 60's I have negotiated life with the ethic that "mostl people I meet are basically honest" until proven different. (I dont meet many bankers or politicians) and have only been seriously let down on this belief on three or four occasions. Your story makes we wonder about this, perhaps I should reverse my ethic to "all people are dishonest until proven otherwise", what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Thanks for enlightening me Carlt. Now .In my late 60's I have negotiated life with the ethic that "mostl people I meet are basically honest" until proven different. (I dont meet many bankers or politicians) and have only been seriously let down on this belief on three or four occasions. Your story makes we wonder about this, perhaps I should reverse my ethic to "all people are dishonest until proven otherwise", what do you think? It hasn't changed my view (which is the same as yours) though I wouldn't ordinarily wave someone off, with 2 boats and my outboard, without taking a penny. I'd known his Dad for years so I though I'd be alright though, when I spoke to him, Denis said "I've got 20 odd kids. I can't keep track of them all." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymu Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) It hasn't changed my view (which is the same as yours) though I wouldn't ordinarily wave someone off, with 2 boats and my outboard, without taking a penny. I'd known his Dad for years so I though I'd be alright though, when I spoke to him, Denis said "I've got 20 odd kids. I can't keep track of them all." Guess Dad wasn't in a position to put pressure on kid then, but he might have warned you! Horrible to get taken for a ride like that, and not just because of the financial impact. We took a huge risk in the opposite direction. Transferred the cash for the boat before we'd done the paperwork. My inability to sleep when needed messed up the arrangements for meeting the seller (my partner can't drive and I don't drive if I'm in sleep deficit) and I knew he needed the cash urgently to buy another boat with so I transferred the cash anyway. I wouldn't have done it without being very certain he was who he said he was and that he'd be traceable if it went wrong. The boat had been on the same mooring for years, he was keeping the mooring, I'd met lots of people there and at the local yard, had plenty of evidence that the cash transfer was for purchasing his boat, told him what I was doing by text, with replies by text, etc. Still, a scary couple of days until we rocked up and saw the boat still where we'd last seen her! Edited March 13, 2011 by ymu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Guess Dad wasn't in a position to put pressure on kid then, but he might have warned you! Horrible to get taken for a ride like that, and not just because of the financial impact. He didn't know, until after the event. It wasn't nice but, in the end, it's only stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet S Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 It wasn't nice but, in the end, it's only stuff. I wish I could bring myself to have that sort of attitude... Janet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Schweizer Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Completely but this Dennis Wain, was he a Willow Wren captain in the 1960's? I knew several Wains in those days and seem to remember a Dennis. After Willow Wren stopped trading, one of them built his own wooden cruiser and kept it at Hilmorten or nearby. I met him several times about 15 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) Completely but this Dennis Wain, was he a Willow Wren captain in the 1960's? I knew several Wains in those days and seem to remember a Dennis. After Willow Wren stopped trading, one of them built his own wooden cruiser and kept it at Hilmorten or nearby. I met him several times about 15 years ago. Yes, that's the one (though I don't think he built his own boat, ever). He ended his days as a Charity Dock resident. Edited March 13, 2011 by carlt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacebar Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I'm aware of that, thanks. Why do you think I didn't pursue it but just put it down as one of life's little lessons? I have had a few years to mull it over. His Dad told me he'd done it before, sadly after the event, and, as the police woman he conned showed, he did it again, too. Dont let it harden your heart too much mate there are plenty of people out there who are not like this and would pay you your money. Your a bigger man than me as I would have knocked him in the canal with a shovel if he laughed in my face after helping him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimD Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 It's a well-known fact that all unemployed people have been, and forever will be, unemployed for their entire lives, and their parents never, ever have any money to leave them when they die. Reminds me of a phone-in after some football related vioence following England playing in Italy. A common theme was "Where do these thugs get the money to travel and buy the tickets?" ...erm they might have a job. oops I guess this is worth an Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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