small butane gas heater

[silverbuttocks]

hi all

 

can we use one of these on our NB safely?

 

http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/mini-heater-hose-and-reg-p162735

 

we have a problem with the back of the boat never warming up, even when our stove makes most of the boat pretty toasty. we're thinking of getting some existing and currently redundant rads joined up to a combi boiler or webasto/eberspacher, but want something to keep the chill off our bedroom and bathroom in the meantime for short periods of time (maybe an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening). if something like this is no good could someone suggest an alternative??

 

cheers!

 

mike

[eightpot]

I wouldn't.

 

Added fire/carbon monoxide hazard and it'll add loads of moisture to the atmosphere.

 

If you're on shorepower, use a small fan heater. If not, rig up a small computer fan above the stove to blow down the boat.

[Boat&Bikes]

Buy an ecofan...

[MtB]

hi all

 

can we use one of these on our NB safely?

 

http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/mini-heater-hose-and-reg-p162735

 

No.

 

Well on it perhaps, but certainly not IN it

 

 

MtB

[silverbuttocks]

thanks! i'm put off the idea! we have tried a fan and it still doesn't get warm at the other end of the boat. any other suggestions??

[Ex- Member]

Not sure what end of the boat, assuming rear. I would go for a webasto or eber in the engine room to blow hot air in to that end. There was a thread yesterday about a small diesel heater eber webasto like for around £400, might be worth a look.

 

ETA found the heater on e-bay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171172397604

 

They also have their own website. I quite like the look of them but I want to hear feedback regarding their performance, research needed.

Edited November 12, 2013 by Julynian

[Graham Davis]

How about this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221304547723?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

[Nickhlx]

We have a Webasto and have run it on 28 second home heating oil from new, 4+ years ago.. Functionally it has been faultless, although it is a "bit noisy" (!) Actually it sounds more like a jet aircraft taking off as it warms up, and ticks loudly when running ( diesel fuel pump) although it is right next to the bedroom, in the engine hole. So it is guaranteed to wake us when it comes on in the morning. I am not sure if others are any different as its the only one we have ever had experience of. We also have a Lockgate Refleks in the cabin - also diesel but near silent and again functioned faultlessly for the 4+ years we have had the boat... We chose diesel for the ease of fuel management ( not sourcing / storing logs

and less or no dust) and being able to program when the central heating comes on, although I understand it is more expensive to run than solid fuel, but gives us the needed programmability . (We don't live aboard though).

The heater referred to a couple of posts up seems interesting too...

 

Nick

[Ex- Member]

We have a Webasto and have run it on 28 second home heating oil from new, 4+ years ago.. Functionally it has been faultless, although it is a "bit noisy" (!) Actually it sounds more like a jet aircraft taking off as it warms up, and ticks loudly when running ( diesel fuel pump) although it is right next to the bedroom, in the engine hole. So it is guaranteed to wake us when it comes on in the morning. I am not sure if others are any different as its the only one we have ever had experience of. We also have a Lockgate Refleks in the cabin - also diesel but near silent and again functioned faultlessly for the 4+ years we have had the boat... We chose diesel for the ease of fuel management ( not sourcing / storing logs

and less or no dust) and being able to program when the central heating comes on, although I understand it is more expensive to run than solid fuel, but gives us the needed programmability . (We don't live aboard though).

The heater referred to a couple of posts up seems interesting too...

 

Nick

 

Hi Nick

 

Very Interesting we were just looking at Webasto and Eberspacher and been listening to said heaters on you tube clips.

 

The Eber D4 seems very quiet indeed I must say. The D2 sounds louder which is strange. We're lucky in that there's a solid wood door and utility room and another door between engine room and first cabin which is a bedroom, so noise level wouldn't effect us as much as it does you being so close. I'm surprised though the Webasto sounds as loud as you describe as it's clearly running well as you say.

 

Are Webastos generally louder than Eber's, anyone know?????

[Nickhlx]

I did query it with the boatbuilder the first time it started up and he said it was "normal" for Webastos, and it hasn't ever broken down or got any noisier.

 

I don't know if it is normal, as have never heard any other, but it definitely wakes us up everytime and is pretty annoying. With the benefit of hindsight, I would certainly want to hear any proposed heater before I committed...

 

Nick

[bottle]

Our Erberspacher is exactly the same, jet engine and clicking.

[silverbuttocks]

How about this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221304547723?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

 

hi graham. thanks for that. does anyone out there have experience of these propex lpg blown air heater systems?? looks like they'll be pretty easy to install, with only the lpg connection needing a specialist gas safe engineer. anyone know how noisy they are?? how efficient they are?? how quickly they take to turn on etc etc??

Our Erberspacher is exactly the same, jet engine and clicking.

 

hmmm...yes, i'm getting put off the idea of an ebers/webasto. our bedroom is at the back next to the engine compartment so it is likely to be very loud. we wanted to be able to have it come on before we get up to take the chill off, but not much good if it's too noisy to sleep through!!

I did query it with the boatbuilder the first time it started up and he said it was "normal" for Webastos, and it hasn't ever broken down or got any noisier.

 

I don't know if it is normal, as have never heard any other, but it definitely wakes us up everytime and is pretty annoying. With the benefit of hindsight, I would certainly want to hear any proposed heater before I committed...

 

Nick

 

well, yes, that's why i'm wondering what these propex blown air heaters are like

[Nickhlx]

I would have thought ( am almost certain) that the propane heater's exhaust is the hot gas coming from them, laden with moisture, and so totally inappropriate to heat essentially

a closed space, which will end up dripping from condensation in minutes.. unfortunately...

 

Nick

[bottle]

does anyone out there have experience of these propex lpg blown air heater systems

 

Yes, 30 years ago (still looks the same) it does need 12v for the fan.

 

External air intake and exhaust (of course), the intake and exhaust although separate do need to be balanced, ie if the intake is to long it will not work.

 

They do have a roar when working.

 

They have a heat exchanger so no fumes etc into the boat.

 

The heat outlets need to be ducted, in our caravan the duct was only 8' but had two outlets with control flaps

[silverbuttocks]

I would have thought ( am almost certain) that the propane heater's exhaust is the hot gas coming from them, laden with moisture, and so totally inappropriate to heat essentially

a closed space, which will end up dripping from condensation in minutes.. unfortunately...

 

Nick

 

it does have an exhaust outlet of course via a skin fitting to the outside of the boat...

does anyone out there have experience of these propex lpg blown air heater systems

 

Yes, 30 years ago (still looks the same) it does need 12v for the fan.

 

External air intake and exhaust (of course), the intake and exhaust although separate do need to be balanced, ie if the intake is to long it will not work.

 

They do have a roar when working.

 

They have a heat exchanger so no fumes etc into the boat.

 

The heat outlets need to be ducted, in our caravan the duct was only 8' but had two outlets with control flaps

 

thanks for that keith - apparently these things are less economical than a combi boiler, although cheaper to buy and instal initially. i think we're going to go for a combi, but i was after something temporary for the meantime, just to get a bit of warmth in the bathroom!