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I'd aim to crank it over until there is oil pressure showing before trying to start.

 

Tim

 

I endorse that. For a start, it will tell you if anything has stuck internally if it won't turn over

 

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I'd aim to crank it over until there is oil pressure showing before trying to start.

 

Tim

 

Just for the avoidance of doubt, I think Tim means using the starter motor. Chances of developing oil pressure cranking over by hand are pretty slim...!

 

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Hi, Unless you are a clairvoyant it is not possible to assume that any engine should need a complete rebuild just by visual inspection, a few years ago.I fired up one of these engines that had not ran for 15 years, before starting,replace engine oil,oil and fuel filters, check water level and make sure you have means of blocking air intake with plank of wood or similar in case injector pump is sticking. The engine may run ok,if so then steps can be taken by checking compression,tappet settings,injectors, smoke emission quantities etc. By the way,the engine I put back into service has run perfectly in a weldset ever since with no major work needed.

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Hi, Unless you are a clairvoyant it is not possible to assume that any engine should need a complete rebuild just by visual inspection, a few years ago.I fired up one of these engines that had not ran for 15 years, before starting,replace engine oil,oil and fuel filters, check water level and make sure you have means of blocking air intake with plank of wood or similar in case injector pump is sticking. The engine may run ok,if so then steps can be taken by checking compression,tappet settings,injectors, smoke emission quantities etc. By the way,the engine I put back into service has run perfectly in a weldset ever since with no major work needed.

Good point on being able to stop it. An engine can run for some time just on the contents of the fuel filter (don't ask how I know)

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X2 on the being able to stop it - Co2 fire extinguisher down the intake works well if all else fails.

 

So does a tennis ball, and you don't have to strip the engine afterwards

 

Richard

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Nothing to do with your engine but an insight into how other boats are constructed as a guide to some of the questions on your flickr page.

 

Please ignore the upper bracing straps (temporary angle iron cross members) as these are only there to keep the hull sides parallel during the build process.

nght2.jpg

 

Cabin sides on, bracing straps now removed.

 

 

20qc3kx.jpg

 

Note the 150mm x 75mm channel section keelson down the spine of the base plate, something that I believe is essential to ensure rigidity, especially with a 10mm base plate. The one shown is 15mm thick.

 

 

i5pyld.jpg

 

You mention that you've learnt to arc weld which commendable, but unless you've had anyone test the quality of your welds, be careful when taking on anything that is structural. I have seen people weld hand rails on a steel platform only to then witness a guy leaning on and collapsing them in the process.

 

Good luck with your project.

 

Mike

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Why would you need to strip an engine after using a CO2 extinguisher to stop it?

 

Whoops! Sorry.

 

I really must learn to read these posts properly

 

Tennis ball still works though

 

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originally she was built as a nigerian river barge

 

I'm still really curious about this bit. She was built for use in Nigeria? I've never seen a boat styled like this anywhere other than Britain (although I've never been to Nigeria), are there other parts of the world where they have boats like this?

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My experience with these engines in farm tractors is that no matter how long it's been standing, check the oil, check the water, attach battery, press the 'exess fuel' button, go for it! I'd be very suprised if it didn't fire off straight away, rarely they turn more than 3 times before they go.

Based on my experience of this engine I'd second this approach. The excess fuel button is on the end of the pivot supporting the stop lever: where the spring runs from, to an injector in your picture 021. Just push it in before turning the key. It's a brilliant diesel engine that will run for ever if not abused too much. Parts are readily available - for anything up to and including a complete re-build - via vintage tractor fraternity. Look on Ebay under Fordson Major as a starting point.

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Nothing to do with your engine but an insight into how other boats are constructed as a guide to some of the questions on your flickr page.

 

Please ignore the upper bracing straps (temporary angle iron cross members) as these are only there to keep the hull sides parallel during the build process.

nght2.jpg

 

Cabin sides on, bracing straps now removed.

 

 

20qc3kx.jpg

 

Note the 150mm x 75mm channel section keelson down the spine of the base plate, something that I believe is essential to ensure rigidity, especially with a 10mm base plate. The one shown is 15mm thick.

 

 

i5pyld.jpg

 

You mention that you've learnt to arc weld which commendable, but unless you've had anyone test the quality of your welds, be careful when taking on anything that is structural. I have seen people weld hand rails on a steel platform only to then witness a guy leaning on and collapsing them in the process.

 

Good luck with your project.

 

Mike

thanks! this is really interesting. If only the guy who built my boat had this kind of knowledge when he was doing it!

Saying this, I did know from taking a boat builder to look at her when I was considering buying that she wasn't a top class hull and a bit of a DIY build and that justified the price. There's been an incredible amount of work to do though, more than I've imagined but it's finally feeling like I'm getting somewhere. Especially after getting all my windows in to stop the rain water!!

In terms of welding, I'm only doing the bits that aren't so important. Luckily I have a neighbour who's a highly experienced marine welder so he's tackling any replating and anything below the waterline.

 

I'm still really curious about this bit. She was built for use in Nigeria? I've never seen a boat styled like this anywhere other than Britain (although I've never been to Nigeria), are there other parts of the world where they have boats like this?

apparently so, the guy built 3 in 1988. 2 went out there and then the buyer dissappeared/didn't have the cash or something so she got turned into a house boat. So there could be 2 replica boats at the bottom of a nigerian river somewhere? or happily still floating we hope

 

Hi, Unless you are a clairvoyant it is not possible to assume that any engine should need a complete rebuild just by visual inspection, a few years ago.I fired up one of these engines that had not ran for 15 years, before starting,replace engine oil,oil and fuel filters, check water level and make sure you have means of blocking air intake with plank of wood or similar in case injector pump is sticking. The engine may run ok,if so then steps can be taken by checking compression,tappet settings,injectors, smoke emission quantities etc. By the way,the engine I put back into service has run perfectly in a weldset ever since with no major work needed.

 

 

Good point on being able to stop it. An engine can run for some time just on the contents of the fuel filter (don't ask how I know)

thanks for more excellent advice. I've located a marine diesel specialist who's coming over to try and fire her up at the end of the week so we'll see how it goes. I've been on some good forums that have a full history of the 4D engine and it's development.

here's the link for anyone else who may find it useful

http://www.dieselenginetrader.com/diesel_talk/messageview.cfm?catid=20&threadid=2173

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Evening folks, after a few weeks of fiddlin with starter motors, we managed to turn her over this morning!

Soaked in the rain but happy as a trout...

 

A shandy or two may be in order tonight!

No worky

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