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  1. Worth taking the opportunity to warn against cheap HVO. If you're offered HVO at a price well below the going rate (around £1.80 at the moment and nearer £2.30 if it's had the 60:40 split applied to take account of paying the full price – without RTFCs accruing – for the domestic element) then it will almost certainly be a blend of HVO and GTL which is, of course, derived from fossil fuel. I understand that even in the lab it's pretty well impossible to tell the two apart and there are unscrupulous suppliers out there producing their own blend and passing it off as pure HVO.
  2. Botany Bay Boatyard Chorley 07967 380464/07770 576288 – open daily 08.00-20.00.
  3. I believe that the BSS chaps and chapesses are grapple with this as we speak. I know for a fact that they do at least understand the point that peterboat has just so aptly made.
  4. I understand that the hydrogen is the expensive bit and its 'brown' source is what renders HVO only 90% carbon neutral. Once 'green' hydrogen is used in its manufacture we will have a product that is pretty much 100% carbon neutral and if the wind power used to produce it would otherwise have gone to waste (middle of the night stuff) it would be hoped that the price of HVO would come down. Right now we can only speculate.
  5. VERY!! If Scottish Canals hadn't elected to do due diligence before stocking HVO (along with the Broads Authority I believe that they are the only navigation authority that currently do) this anomaly would never have surfaced and 'the body could have remained buried' which is how things stood a year or so ago. However, you'll probably be aware that all the commercial and passenger-carrying vessels plying the tidal Thames are now running on HVO and you can bet your sweet life that the tug skippers and all the Uber passengers are not freezing their nuts off (those that are that way endowed that is). In that watery arena the body remains buried as I know for a fact that many of the vessels concerned have a single diesel tank. The tugs, operating around the tides as they do, are often lived on 24/7 and heating, lighting and cooking is all supplied by separate, engine-room generators. Exactly so! Emissions are emissions whether they are released by burning fuel in a stove or in an engine. In a sensible world every opportunity to reduce them should grasped with both hands and pair of RTFCs.
  6. It does just so long as you don't show a heater, cooker or WhisperGen a drop of the stuff ........
  7. I wouldn't wish this on anyone but if you Google the Road Transport Fuel Obligation (RTFO) you will gain an insight into the mechanism that generates Road Transport Fuel Certificates (RTFCs). In short, any fuel producer manufacturing more a certain amount per year (44,000 litres comes to mind but I'm likely wrong) – their obligation in fact – must pay an agreed sum per litre sold into the market place. When I first got involved in these shenanigans it was around £0.33/litre but I believe its gone up. This is 'put into a pot' and is redistributed to biofuel producers within the transport sector. The value of a RTFC varies and until recently was £0.42 and HVO attracted 2 of them per litre sold, hence the £0.84/litre 'subsidy'. Right now the value of an RTFC has dropped to the £0.25 – £0.30 mark meaning that the pump price of HVO has potentially risen. And yes, you are correct, the real cost of manufacturing and marketing HVO c/w the full duty and VAT is very close to £3.00/litre. Just so long as Government doesn't reappropriate the 'pot', the RTFC support of biofuels for the agreed sectors is secure. What is more likely to happen is that they will move the goalposts and inland waterways could cease to be eligible for RTFC support. This mechanism has been around for something like 14 years I believe so is pretty mainstream and not a dodgy, hole in the corner operation! Just to complete this boring saga, taking things full circle, the reason why DfT won't allow RTFC support to extend to the domestic consumption of HVO runs along these lines: "Mrs Jones buys 10 litres of diesel at the pumps which she puts into her CAR. This in turn puts something like £3.30 into the RTFC 'pot' which then becomes available to support RTFCs for biofuels. This is fine in Mrs Jones' book (I doubt anyone actually checked back with her) as long as the HVO gets used within the transport sector (and inland waterways is ... but deep sea is not (even the definition of 'Inland Waterways' is "fun" as it varies winter to summer!!) but it's not fair on Mrs Jones if the RTFC that she has helped 'pay for' gets used by someone to subsides the heating in their boat – i.e. something that is not 'transport' ". You can't make it up ......... but this, unfortunately, is the line that DfT have adopted and one that IWA and RYA will have to fight them on once the world situation settles down ....... as in world energy prices and the Ukraine situation: both not a million miles from one another.
  8. It's about as lunatic as the situation prevailing around which uses of HVO attracts RTFCs and which don't and the system's total inability to accommodate mixed use. I've had some direct dealings with a couple of Government departments since I got involved with promoting waterways use of HVO and they al seem to be populated by bright young things, with excellent degrees, but with zero practical life experience. So they devise clever schemes but have no awareness or understanding of the practicalities of putting them into effect.
  9. With the RTFC (effectively a subsidy on biofuels) only being reclaimable by the fuel supplier against sales of eligible fuel (this is for propulsion only in the inland waterways arena) they are obviously very jumpy about what a consignment of HVO is being used for. The RTFC is worth between £0.65 and £0.85/litre and if the supplier can't demonstrate to DfT that the fuel was used for legitimate purposes, within the scope of the RTFO mechanism, this not inconsiderable sum will suddenly cease to be available to them. To this end you will be asked to sign two documents relating to usage and if there is any mention of mixed used (part propulsion/part domestic) you will likely be told that the supplier doesn't want anything to do with the sale. However, if you ask for 1000 litres+, delivered to your tank on a farm or domestic premises which you state is being used solely for the propulsion of an inland waterways craft, a tractor, forestry forwarder or the like, there will almost certainly be a sale of rebated (red – duty @ £0.1114/litre) fuel which will be subjected to VAT @ 5%. Suppliers are using a variety of excuses not to bunker boats with HVO the like of which I haven't met over the 23 years I've had my boat tanks topped up by a road tanker. De-coded, what they are simply saying is that they don't want to get involved with anything that is ambiguous in terms of end use, purely down to the risk of them not getting the two RTFCs back from DfT that the sale of a litre of HVO generates which is, as I've said, effectively a subsidy. (note: this is not an HMRC matter). Anyone wanting a supply of HVO, that can meet the above criteria, should contact Ryan Abreu (Crown Oil Customer Development Manager) directly on 07585 792918. He's a busy bloke and in my experience rarely answers the phone first time but if you leave a message he is reliable in getting back to you. Crown is based in Bury but have agents throughout the country who they use for local deliveries. Oh, and do make sure you're sitting down before he quotes you a price. Even with the RTFC support it's still up around the £2/litre mark. The above info is based on a conversation I had with Ryan yesterday in an attempt to get to the bottom the HVO supply issues regularly cropping up on this forum.
  10. I thought it might going on your apt description. I had hoped to add to the sum of knowledge and demonstrate that the activities of the IWA Sustainable Boating Group are not purely theoretical!! For those interested, having put together a reasonable analysis of the propulsion side of sustainable boating, we're now concentrating on sustainability in relation to the domestic side of boating: not something that we're going crack in a couple of months ......... more like a couple of years I suspect! I'd be the first to acknowledge that an awful lot of really good stuff comes out of this forum and certainly provides me with a very solid and useful steer.
  11. Thank you Alan. A much more elegant form of presentation!!
  12. I've just spent the last couple on days working on a narrowboat that was in the early throes of the sticky diesel phenomenon: bad enough to stop the engine and prevent a restart but not, I'm delighted to say, so far advanced that the pump and injectors had been damaged. A couple of takeaways from earlier parts of this thread that I would endorse are that a) beef dripping is a quite brilliant description (if you are of a certain age) – see pic and b) diesel and petrol are excellent go-to solvents, certainly in the early stages of the problem. It was the usual story of the fuel having been in the tank for a year or more and a significant drop in temperature heralding a Scottish winter. The worst manifestation of the problem was in the water separator filter (an ideal breeding ground with its very own wee fuel/water interface – and suffering from totally neglect in this instance) and from there it had clearly migrated along the fuel lines to the engine filter, the electric feed pump and the line as far as the common rail, this being an Isuzu engine. The picture shows the water separator filter and the two components of the gunge on the filter and in the bowl are beef dripping poured into a pot to cool to a T! On removing the 'beef' bit there was evidence of a hard material forming a glaze in the bottom of the bowl and my concern was that something very similar might have been going on with the internals of the common rail or the insides of the injectors. Fortunately, once we'd removed all the fuel, cleaned the tank, fuel lines, filters and electric feed pump (which was badly clogged and needed to be removed and shown the airline) and then treated the new fuel with Marine 16 at shock treatment concentration levels+ (if it's good enough for the RNLI it's good enough for me) the engine was prepared to fire up and for the last couple of hours has been running as sweet as a nut. The boat is now undertaking the two hour night time run that was forcibly postponed from Thursday evening. I suspect that if the owner had come to the boat in, say, a month's time it could have been a very different story and an expensive trip to a diesel specialist with CR pump and injectors. Needless to say, the owner will now change his filters regularly, and drain off the water at frequent intervals. He's already ordered his own supply of Marine 16 and is even talking of popping down to the Scottish Canals diesel pump to top up with HVO which, much to everyones surprise, is now SC's preferred fuel for their own vehicles, plant and equipment and they are also selling it to boaters. Me, I shall stick with HVO and husband it with great care in the hope that it eventually returns to the £0.88/litre price it was a year or so ago when I bought it. Currently purchased retail from SC, it's getting up towards 3x that price and I know from a conversation with their buyer yesterday that they are only marking it up by £0.11/litre. Sticky Diesel Image:beef dripping.docx
  13. This is very much not a SC project Ronnie so it might just fly!!
  14. https://62d185e97387d.site123.me inspired by this summer's Dandelion Project tour: https://www.visitscotland.org/events/major-events/dandelion. (the touring bit: Glasgow-Edinburgh-Kelpies rather than the growing bit)
  15. If it wasn't for the shortage of water, it could even be an enema ...........
  16. Wouldn't having this information printed on a pair of trousers be more appr ....opriate? (sorry, had to run)
  17. Another way in which you might want to take a leaf out of the Chesterfield Canal Trust's book is in establishing an end to end identity for your canal. I believe I'm right in saying that the Cuckoo Way came long before there was a trip boat in place. Being able to get from one end to the other of a waterway under restoration fixes it in the minds of people in a way that a trip along a short, isolated length never can. In the early days, the end to end route will inevitably not be able to follow the navigation in the way that the towpath did and there will need to be some creative diversions put in place but there's nothing wrong with that. Just look at the route currently employed by the Thames & Severn Canal east of Stroud to see what I mean.
  18. Not if you can identify the filter: https://inlinefilters.co.uk. I've had excellent service over the years from this company, buying filters for a wide range of machines and boats. Time spent on a bit of detective work is usually well rewarded. Buying filters can be a wee bit like buying ink for printers – it's a guaranteed steady income which is exploited to a greater or lesser extent by nb engine marinisers!
  19. What a lovely idea ............
  20. Been doing it for 20 odd years now. That's a 27" monitor required for work, although I confess to the occasional bit of catch up TV! When boating etc it simply folds flat against the back cabin side with a cover over it. Track pad and keyboard are wireless so along with various other peripherals they all get tucked away when eating or cooking. It's worked far better than I ever expected and the mounting arm is an inexpensive Amazon basics model.
  21. Here's another way to present it: "Due to what looks to be vandalism overnight ..........."
  22. That link isn't working for me ............ but this one does: https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/environment-agency-puts-blocks-on-hvo The cynical might feel that Big Oil is in here somewhere ..........
  23. That's excellent news. I hope that RCR pick up in this.
  24. Thanks everyone for this information. The implication seems to be that there were boats there but that they have moved away and some infrastructure is now being built. So was the empty basin area with the new pontoons once flooded and containing boats or have I misunderstood? It was purporting to be a fully operational marina four or five years ago.
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