Selling your own fit out....

[Dominic M]

Does anyone know of an examiner who can hold my hand (not literally) through the RCD and put his name to it?

 

Kayak.

 

Paul Smith - 01527 854039

 

Trevor Whitling - 01788 824191

 

Barrie Morse - 01295 711941

 

Bill McMurray - 08703 500607

 

All four I have known to carry out just such a service - guide you through the RCD process, produce the owner's manual and certify the boat. They are all qualified marine surveyors who know the process well.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Dominic

Edited April 2, 2008 by Dominic M

[kayak]

Paul Smith - 01527 854039

 

Trevor Whitling - 01788 824191

 

Barrie Morse - 01295 711941

 

Bill McMurray - 08703 500607

 

All four I have known to carry out just such a service - guide you through the RCD process, produce the owner's manual and certify the boat. They are all qualified marine surveyors who know the process well.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Dominic

 

 

Thanks Dominic thats great!

[Tusses]

Paul Smith - 01527 854039

 

Trevor Whitling - 01788 824191

 

Barrie Morse - 01295 711941

 

Bill McMurray - 08703 500607

 

All four I have known to carry out just such a service - guide you through the RCD process, produce the owner's manual and certify the boat. They are all qualified marine surveyors who know the process well.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Dominic

 

Excelent ! Thanks Dominic

 

Are they all based around the Rugby Area ?

[dor]

Does anyone know of an examiner who can hold my hand (not literally) through the RCD and put his name to it?

 

You don't say where you are Kayak - nor on your profile - but this one covers the north west and is a fully qualified marine surveyor: Dave Broach 07836507366

[Gary Peacock]

You know the thing that tickles me is that the RCD as been with us now for over 10 years but it's only over the last 2 or 3 years that any one seems to have shown any interest.

 

The new interest is probably a good thing from the customers point at least but what were the builders doing for the previous years?

[Rob@BSSOffice]

Excelent ! Thanks Dominic

 

Are they all based around the Rugby Area ?

Paul and Trevor are both very close at Studley and Crick respectively.

Barrie is in Banbury

Jonathon Leask (Derbyshire) is another examiner/surveyor specialising in this subject - he used to work for CE-proof.

BSS examiner details and contcts can be found on www.boatsafetyscheme.com

Bill is no longer an examiner. He is usually based at Evesham.

 

 

The RYA seems to have a subscription access site to help DIY boatbuilders if I have understood it correctly (I may not have).

 

A BSS certificate once issued is presumed to last for four years no matter what modifications are made to the boat. However it can be withdrawn, if the boat is found to be significantly non-compliant. This does happen from time to time.

 

Gary - I'm surprised you've not mentioned the hoohah in the industry last year, especially on salty side, about the RCD and vessels undergoing 'significant change'.

 

The BMF course is a very interesting overview and it is delivered by probably one of the UK's top experts on the RCD. I've been on it and found it invaluable. It doesn't aim to give detail though, you'll still need the BMF disk, or RYA site, or good local reference library, or BSI subscription, or specialist surveyor.

 

HTH

Rob

[Tusses]

I realy dont get why the RCD isn't freely available.

 

I found the same when looking into building regs for a loft conversion. Stair tread and headroom hight etc even then the regs dont make sense. all the regs for tread hight and depth etc - but you are allowed to have alternate treads if the space is tight ! Minimum ceiling height is way over anything you could bang your head on ! (and you woudlnt get a boat cieling hieght passed the building regs - but people dont die from low ceilings on a boat ! )

 

Sure I could 'search' for information at the library etc.

 

These regs and safety measures are there for everyones benefit (some are a bit nanny state though) so surely it would make sense to get them easily available so everyone knows about them - not just the privileged few

 

ok - short rant over

 

carry on ....

[Gary Peacock]

I realy dont get why the RCD isn't freely available.

 

I found the same when looking into building regs for a loft conversion. Stair tread and headroom hight etc even then the regs dont make sense. all the regs for tread hight and depth etc - but you are allowed to have alternate treads if the space is tight ! Minimum ceiling height is way over anything you could bang your head on ! (and you woudlnt get a boat cieling hieght passed the building regs - but people dont die from low ceilings on a boat ! )

 

Sure I could 'search' for information at the library etc.

 

These regs and safety measures are there for everyones benefit (some are a bit nanny state though) so surely it would make sense to get them easily available so everyone knows about them - not just the privileged few

 

ok - short rant over

 

carry on ....

 

I totally agree!

 

But it is worth pointing out that it is only one of many EU directives that make up the Global Approach To Conformity Assessment that apply to all manafacturing not just the boaty world.

 

It is worth looking at THIS to find a bit more about what they are supposed to do for us.

[Dominic M]

Excelent ! Thanks Dominic

 

Are they all based around the Rugby Area ?

Rob BSS has given you locations. As regards Bill McMurray, I didn't know whether or not he was an examiner for the Boat Safety Scheme, but my understanding is that he will still do RCD work. He trades as Avon Marine Group, and is based in Worcestershire.

 

Happy hunting!

 

Dominic

[Chris Pink]

So...

 

reading all this, would someone confirm....

 

if you do your own fit-out, you need a BSC after one year, then after another 4 years you get another and can sell the boat legally?

no RCD no CE mark?

 

You can get a BSC on a bare hull, the one before last on my butty was when she had nothing in her. I even got a (small) discount from the examiner.

Edited April 3, 2008 by Chris Pink

[Dominic M]

So...

 

reading all this, would someone confirm....

 

if you do your own fit-out, you need a BSC after one year, then after another 4 years you get another and can sell the boat legally?

no RCD no CE mark?

 

You can get a BSC on a bare hull, the one before last on my butty was when she had nothing in her. I even got a (small) discount from the examiner.

BSC from the moment it is put in the water. With no RCD you cannot sell it for 5 years, not four.

[Gary Peacock]

So...

 

reading all this, would someone confirm....

 

if you do your own fit-out, you need a BSC after one year, then after another 4 years you get another and can sell the boat legally?

no RCD no CE mark?

 

You can get a BSC on a bare hull, the one before last on my butty was when she had nothing in her. I even got a (small) discount from the examiner.

 

Just out of interest did BW or the BSS examiner ask to view the RCD annex IIIa declaration?

[Chris Pink]

Just out of interest did BW or the BSS examiner ask to view the RCD annex IIIa declaration?

 

Adjusting your tenses a touch I take they will?

 

and if the shell was home made? or something like the recent ebay homemade shell, K9 by name?

[Malarky]

This may help to get on with it, just google and download...

 

The Boat Safety Scheme Essential Guide

[Radiomariner]

I found the same when looking into building regs for a loft conversion. Stair tread and headroom hight etc even then the regs dont make sense. all the regs for tread hight and depth etc - but you are allowed to have alternate treads if the space is tight ! Minimum ceiling height is way over anything you could bang your head on ! (and you woudlnt get a boat cieling hieght passed the building regs - but people dont die from low ceilings on a boat ! )

 

 

A Bit off topic on building regs. Reg's on stair tread height and depth and headroom/Ceiling height, result in most modern houses having flights of thirteen steps!

 

Back on subject. RCD Compliance is normally only required at point of sale (or import). The BSS Cert concerns safety throughout the life of the boat. A motor car may become unsafe a few minutes after its MOT, but the regular requirement for the test ensures that a reasonable standard will be maintained. This concept applies also to the BSS.

[ChrisPy]

Gary - I'm surprised you've not mentioned the hoohah in the industry last year, especially on salty side, about the RCD and vessels undergoing 'significant change'.

I don't know the background to that, but if you are a private fitter-out, and do your own RCD, then it is an entirely personal matter what arrangements you make to amend your technical files, DoC, etc., as you go along. Nobody asks to view it except possibly at the point of sale, if any, or when you apply for a licence.

[Malarky]

Just read OP, so thought I'd add that people like to buy a NB that has never seen water, not even rain! They fear damp getting into the fit out in any way or at any time. Obviously if it's outside decent air flow is important, but takeing this into account, it is best to keep the project protected from the elements under cover of a polytunnel or something. Certainly paint etc will protect it initially anyway, but people find the cover reasures them the boat has been looked after right from the start.

[Tusses]

Just read OP, so thought I'd add that people like to buy a NB that has never seen water, not even rain! They fear damp getting into the fit out in any way or at any time. Obviously if it's outside decent air flow is important, but takeing this into account, it is best to keep the project protected from the elements under cover of a polytunnel or something. Certainly paint etc will protect it initially anyway, but people find the cover reasures them the boat has been looked after right from the start.

 

now there's me thinking it was an advantage to have it out in the elements so I could check for leaks when it pours down, and spot any areas of condensation before the lining stage etc etc,

 

I'm glad to say - dry as a bone

[Malarky]

now there's me thinking it was an advantage to have it out in the elements so I could check for leaks when it pours down, and spot any areas of condensation before the lining stage etc etc,

 

I'm glad to say - dry as a bone

 

Yeh I know, sometimes a cover can keep damp in! Just a quirk that I thought worth mentioning. Good hull, good site, you should be confident.

[Guest]

I would be cautious when choosing a surveyor.

 

For example, Bill McMurray is no longer an examiner? Why?

 

Also if you look at his companies house listing it returns the following:

 

AVON MARINE GROUP LIMITED

CORNER CHAMBERS, 590A KINGSBURY

ROAD, ERDINGTON

BIRMINGHAM

B24 9ND

Company No. 05392164

 

Status: Active - Proposal to Strike off

 

I looked at this cos towpath talk rumours had inferred all was not well!

 

I'm sure there are many reputable surveyors out there so you shouldn't have any trouble finding one!

[Tusses]

when does a bssc or rcd become legally needed ?

 

for instance ... I was 'sold' my boat by Colecraft. I just got a CoC as it was a shell, with an engine

 

could I not sell this 'shell' again legally without bss or rcd ? how much work would I need to do before I had to supply an RCD or BSSc ?

[blackrose]

BSC from the moment it is put in the water. With no RCD you cannot sell it for 5 years, not four.

 

My understanding was that if it's a sailaway it will come with a RCD Annex III declaration of conformity for a partly complete craft. This covers you for one year and then you need to get a BSC (if you're not self certifying under the RCD.) This is what I did myself - I did not need a BSC for the first year.

 

So I thought you then only had to wait a further 4 years before you can legally sell it (5 years in total).

 

when does a bssc or rcd become legally needed ?

 

for instance ... I was 'sold' my boat by Colecraft. I just got a CoC as it was a shell, with an engine

 

could I not sell this 'shell' again legally without bss or rcd ? how much work would I need to do before I had to supply an RCD or BSSc ?

 

Yes, I think you can sell it without a BSS or RCD but you'll have to wait 5 years. However, if you're not going down the RCD route and you don't get a BSS after the first year something's not right?

Edited April 28, 2008 by blackrose

[Tusses]

However, if you're not going down the RCD route and you don't get a BSS after the first year something's not right?

I bought my 'shell' 2 years ago

 

I battened it an had it spray foamed - I put windows in the holes that were already there, and thats it - no gas - no elec - no water

 

what's not to be right ?

[ChrisPy]

I bought my 'shell' 2 years ago

 

I battened it an had it spray foamed - I put windows in the holes that were already there, and thats it - no gas - no elec - no water

 

what's not to be right ?

I understood that you have to have a BSS or an RCD DoC within a year of taking delivery of an Annexe 3 sailaway (which does not have a full Declaration of Conformity), when you apply to renew your licence. What documents do you use for licensing?

[Tusses]

What documents do you use for licensing?

 

I have only ever given my CoC and Insurance - nothing has been said about anything else required ?

 

Is this just another BW thing to get money 'whatever' rather than sticking to the rules ?

 

Should I have had a BSS inspection after a year - even though the boat is unfinished and doesn't go anywhere ?

 

no one has told me so !