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Thanks Steve that does make sense I think a bit more playing around tomorrow , the small relay had a plastic tie around the wires pulling them to the black relay, I am wondering if there had been a problem and this was a bodge to solve it, I cut the cable tie to be able to photograph it so perhaps I should put a tester on it just to see. Really appreciate you taking the time to give such a good explanation. Kev

Checked connections seem ok your exactly right on your post as to the problem .normally I would repair it by dropping a new wire on. But I need to know why there are two wires to the relay . It cannot be a take off to run 12v to anywhere as there is only 12v when the ignition is energised by the key .

Cheers Tony for that I could strip the engine and rebuild it but electrics totally baffle my brain

Appreciate all the advice. I have digital test meter and a continuity tester its really the fact that there are two wires connected together that feed the relay on the small current side, I could just rewire a single wire from the ignition to the small side, but I am reluctant to until I can find out why there would be 2 wires, its almost like there are 2 ways to sart the engine, when it first went I thought there may be a safety switch connected to the throttle gear linkage to prevent starting in gear but nothing appears to be connected wire wise that side.

Its a 1997 lister engine, to be truthful I also thought it was a split charge relay until I dropped a live wire on the small white wire spade and the starter turned, the photos not as good as i wanted, the two wires I am on about are behind the black wire in the photo you can just make them out behind the black wire.

They are the two wires that if take them off and connect a live feed to it the engine turns on the starter.

Really hoping someone can give me a bit of advice, my narrowboat wont start with the ignition, If I take a wire direct from the ignition on the back to the connector on the starter relay it will start with the key and run normaly. I have tried to trace the wire from the ignition to the relay but cannot find if it, it doesnt appear to run straight to the relay as there are 2 wires joined together at the relay, totaly baffled why there would be 2 as I expected one wire from the back of the ignition staright to the relay, does anyone know why 2 wires is there something else I am missing, been trying now for hours and just cannot get my head round it. so any advice would be gratefully received. I have put question marks as I have said not sure now that the wire goes direct.

Sorry phone confuses me totally agree stayed at my daughter's in London . Really strange feeling not knowing weather outside

We have the ideal solution Dave who is quite thin buys new pants he gives his old ones to Jim who is a bit more portely he then passes his on to strewart who is even more portly and so on I am normally eight in line .

I have to false fronts on clips for tools and 3 drawers on small roller wheels under my kitchen units works a treat

Carpet stuck to wall cured it for us

I wonder if this has been mentioned before at the moment residential mooring cost around £2500.00 around our area, but you can also get a mooring for just over £1000.00 with no facilities pretty dismal, no parking and you are not allowed to stay on your boat at the mooring. So easy answer would be cheaper mooring and move up and down canal living on your boat, you can understand why some folk use this option £1500,00 less per year is aa lot of money.

I have never seen two cans on a narrowboat roof but seen a couple of parrots though. Sorry get my coat.

Totaly agree but sometimes I just like to go a bit overkill and try and make them look as they would have come out of the factory not suceeded yet always something that I couldnt get or make. Then again getting something that has been abandoned years ago going and on the road looks dont matter just the pleasure in doing it especialy old motorbikes in a box covered in cobwebs and dust not many about now.

Making interesting reading goods posts, I realise it is deffinately a personal thing sometimes I dont know why ssometimes I see an old working boat and it just looks right nothing to do with highly polished brightly painted although it may have just makes you stop and watch it pass.

John V that is beautiful RLWP told me not to worry I tend to worry about people being harmed suffering illness and the crap things I see in my job, how I stop worrying is a trundle in my narrowboat looking at all the fabulous boats on our waterways.

I have seen loads or restored narrowboats watched dover twice my questions was more about the ethics Dover is a good example to a person who didnt know it would look like a new boat. I had a friend who converted a lovely original landrover into a camper never sure if it was right taking a very old landrover and making it into something else.

I have in the past restored a few classic cars and campers, trying the best I could with the parts that where available to make them as original as possible. before I go on a further to avoid people having a go at me I love all old narrowboats whether the ultra restored or total rust buckets so long as they float and move brilliant. My question is you have an old say 1910 narrowboat nothing done to it boatmans cabin totaly original but needs restoring (wish I was talking about my own boat but unfortunately not) should it be kept as original and restored as such, or at what point, when you find that so much has to be replaced, that it is no longer that original and you might as well go for putting a full top on it and turning it into a fully fitted out narrowboat. also obviously putting a full top on a perfectly servicable old working boat is that the same sacrilage as I got from VW owners when I chopped up a 1958 old VW Beetle to make a trike.

No idea why I should be interested how long you can go back, there was nothing called Continuous Cruising yes there was people doing it but not reconised, and like you say you where asked for a home mooring, The boaters I knew always put a home mooring alright I never knew anyone who got their home mooring checked but you could not get a license if you put no home mooring.

I am sorry to disagree with you but when i First had a narrow boat there was no such thing a ccing and you had to have a home mooring

Really sorry to here the sad news horrible to lose a much loved pet. Clicked on the link and suprised to find Staffs as non swimmers, we had one who could swim like a fish canal and sea.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gorgeous-Narrow-Boat-For-Sale-Project-Boat-50ft-/261492461879?pt=UK_Collectables_Nautical&hash=item3ce22a5137

We all know insurance companies will get out of a claim if they can and leaving the key in the ignition in my view is just asking for trouble. .

Why all the waffle looked at these posting and i sarted to fall asleep in my eyes it is very simple. New marina opens and they are fully aware of the NAA they have to pay. (Perhaps there is an argument that they should only pay per boat but do away with the free and half bit) CCERS shouldnt pay as much a marine dweller, they are the ones while boats are safetly tucked up in marinas they report and keep the canals navigable when the marine dwellers decide to go out. I want CaRT to make money to allow the canals to be kept in a reasonable condition and whilst old rules laws or whatever you want to call them are used to cost CaRT money this will never happen. I love narrowboats I love canals what I dont love is people diddling CaRT out of a lot of money.. Shame in one sweep the whole system couldnt have all the old bylaws, laws, rules done away with and a new set of understandable laws and rules. If Carling owned canals ......................................................................