Alan de Enfield

As I'm sure you are aware, anything over 7' 6" is a widebeam. 11' may not be truly enormous by todays standards of boats that are commonly up to 12' 6", but, 11' is still, by definition a 'widebeam'. Using the formula : a 69' x 12' with 'standard' height (46") gunwales would only rate as 14.3 tonnes, so, again would need the height of the gunwales increasing to comply. a 72' x 12' with 'standard' height (46") gunwales would only rate as 14.9 tonnes, so, again would need the height of the gunwales increasing to comply. a 72' x 12' 6" with 'standard' height (46") gunwales would rate as 15.5 tonnes, so, meets the volume required to be zero rated for VAT Edit to add: I now understand your comment following on from MTB's post. Doh.........................

I've obviously missed out a great deal in my boat selling life. Over the last 40 years, or so, I've sold 16 boats, I have never had any of the above examples, and from memory every boat has been sold to the first enquirer, and all for cash. I wonder why ?

A couple of examples : As an interesting example, take ‘Panache’ the widebeam boat featured on our build diary of a huge 69’ long (L) x 11″ beam (B) with a height of 46” (D). Let’s work out the calculation by first converting the imperial measurements to metric so we have: 21.03m x 3.35m x 1.16m = 81.35 x 0.16 = 13.01 gross tons… Not a qualifying vessel. So here’s the interesting part in order to get a boat even of this size to qualify the standard (D) measurement would need another 190mm adding giving a (D) measurement of 1.35m. See the revised calculation below: (21.03m x 3.35m x 1.35) = 95.10 multiplied by 0.16 = 15.21 gross tons, a qualifying ship. Here are HMRC definitions for L,B & D and for us, it is the D definition which is key. L = Length measured from foreside of the foremost fixed permanent structure to the afterside of the aftermost permanent structure. This measurement must not include appendages that do not contribute to the volume of the vessel. B = Beam breadth of vessel at widest part to the outside of outer planking. This measurement must not include the thickness of any moulding or rubbing strake which may be fitted, in way of such measurement. D = Depth measured vertically from the midpoint overall. The upper calculation point will be: For a decked vessel – the underside of the deck on the middle line, or (if there is no deck on the middle line) the underside of the deck at the side of the vessel For an open decked vessel – the top of the upper strake or gunwale The lower calculation point will be: For a wooden vessel – the upper side of the plank at the side of the keel. For a metal vessel – the top of the plating at the side of the keelson. For a moulded vessel (for example one made of glass-reinforced plastic) – the inside of the hull. Where no keel member is fitted and the keel is of open trough construction, the calculation point shall be the top of the keel filling, if fitted, or the level at which the inside breadth of the trough is 10 centimetres – whichever gives the greater depth. NOTE: HMRC then go on to specifically define the D measurement for canal boats and this is measured from under the top of what we know as the gunwale. HM Revenue & Customs Definitions August 2013

Is there anything that stops a non-boating electrician from posting on a boating forum ? Glad that you have spoken with other boaters but if they do not have the experience to know the differing requirements they may have just been 'blinded by science' and assume when he told them to rip out all the wiring he knew what he was doing. Cynical, Moi ? (no, just experienced) Good luck with your search.

Was he a 'domestic (house) electrician' ? It seems as if you may have fallen foul of the "London experts". It is extremely unusual and unlikely that it would need all of the wiring taking out. If you find an electrician ensure that he / she is a boat electrician as the wiring practices and types of cable used are very different to 'house wiring'.

Neither did I........... Dont ask !!

That's why you buy a 'horizontal' calorifier for use horizontally and a 'vertical' one for vertical. Their internal construction is different.

Maybe I worded it badly. As far as the legal requirements for disclosure are concerned a broker has exactly the same requirements as a private seller (ie none). UNLESS - they actually own the boat in which case all sorts of legal requirements kick-in re disclosure, mandatory guarantees, money back if not happy for any reason etc. I purchased a boat that was apparently on brokerage, I found out that in fact the boat had been taken in part exchange, and, was therefore owned by the brokerage. Between me paying my deposit and the balance, a bill of sale appeared in which the brokerage sold the boat to their Financial Director and my purchase ended up being from a 'private individual' with no warranties.

I guess it wouldn'tbe cheap to ship a great lump of a gearbox from the UK to New Zealand. Maybe try breakers in NZ or Aus to see if they can help.

Discovering the joys of paddling on the Leeds and Liverpool Canal | Craven Herald SALES of kayaks and canoes rocketed during the coronavirus pandemic while paddle boarding became one of the fastest growing sports. So, just what is the fuss all about? Can you put your boat or paddle board in any old river or canal, do you need a licence, should you wear a life jacket, and what about angry landowners and anglers? Like so many people who found themselves working from home during the pandemic, I did a lot of walking. And after I walked a thousand miles or so, I looked at the canal one day and remembered the inflatable kayak in the attic.

In which case he / she would be mistaken. A broker is simply a 'private seller' unless they are selling aboat owned by them. neother a broker, or a private owner is legally required to divulge any information, or highlight any problems. It is considered ethical to answer correctly any specifically asked question, such as "has it had a survey", "is the engine running" "are there any fuel or oil leaks" The seller could just let you lose on the boat and not even be there to answer questions. The RYA statement on the subject : Broker’s ‘Legal Liability To Disclose Information’ In the RYA’s view, there is no general legal obligation on either Seller or broker to disclose the existence of defects to a prospective Buyer, unless, of course, they are asked a specific question, which is why a survey is essential. Nevertheless the RYA, the BMF and the ABYA believe that it is good practice for a broker to fairly represent a boat being offered for sale and should therefore disclose any defects made know to them by the Seller. Again from the RYA advice to sellers and buyers : A standard disclaimer will be included in the brokers Agreement with the Seller, the purpose of which is to protect a broker against complaints by a Buyer that the broker’s published particulars of a boat are wrong, Few brokers will actually look at the boat to assess its condition, they will instead rely on details provided by the seller and thus they can say "we know of no faults", and, you will most often see the 'small print' (disclaimer) on the bottom of the sales details that will say something similar to "we have no liability for the accuracy of these details, they are based on the information provided to us by the seller"

Are you confusing shower and heating, or am I misunderstanding ?

Could the 'transformer' be a battery charger or combi (charger / inverter) with pass-thru ?

It was about 60 years ago (in the 60's) that we were using it regularly, but when it was stopped we still had the TVO tractor and it made sense to brew our own rather than run it on 100% petrol as it ran 'very hot' (as it should do to vapourise the TVO) but it was not possible to run it for hours on petrol alone.

From the back of an 'Englands Glory ' matchbox : "The man that never made a mistake never made anything"

Or, just slide a short length of hosepipe over it, there is vitually no pressure so it shouldn't blow-off but you could always add a jubilee clip is you wanted.

That takes me back 50-60 years. TVO - Tractor Vapourising Oil. Twin tank tractor, start it on petrol and get it up to temperature then switch tanks over to the TVO. When TVO was withdrawn in 1974 we had to brew our own using petrol and kerosene.

For the 'late-night' walk before locking up, & when taking the dog out, I use my LED headlight to be able to find his poops. Is that what dogging is ?