Surprise Needs a New Coat

[wrigglefingers]

Well, Spring is sprunging round these parts and the horrid realisation is creeping in that Surprise will look much nicer without the patches of rust, red oxide, battleship grey and faded red paint, in short, she needs painting.

 

I've found someone who'll paint her for £1500 but she wants to use Rylards Paint as she prefers using it. I heard mixed reports about it in past but I wondered if you had any thoughts. She says she hates using Craftmaster which would have been my preferred choice.

 

Regards

 

Jill

[Gary Peacock]

Well, Spring is sprunging round these parts and the horrid realisation is creeping in that Surprise will look much nicer without the patches of rust, red oxide, battleship grey and faded red paint, in short, she needs painting.

 

I've found someone who'll paint her for £1500 but she wants to use Rylards Paint as she prefers using it. I heard mixed reports about it in past but I wondered if you had any thoughts. She says she hates using Craftmaster which would have been my preferred choice.

 

Regards

 

Jill

 

We use Rylard occasionally and it is fine. Since we had to pack in with spray painting we are now trying Rapidpaint which seems to be a good paint for a good price and available mixed to any colour besides the standards.

 

Craftmaster paints are supposed to be very good but I think you have to chase Phil rather than him chase you! So I don't think our purchasing manager has ever heard of them! But I would like to give them a go at some point.

[Canal Shop Man]

All marine paints are excellent for the job.

 

The finish with Rylards is good, but it needs better painting conditions than some of the others (ie its not as good in cold/hot conditions)

 

I have heard some bad reports on Craftmaster paints, particularly reds.

 

International Toplac, Masons, Epifanes and Sikkens (limited range of colours) are all excellent.

 

Blakes and International Brightside are nearly as good.

 

Your painter probably prefers Rylards if she is supplying the paint as it costs her less!

 

How much will she charge if you supply the paint?? The price sounds good, though it depends on how much detailing (coachlines, etc) is needed.

[alan_fincher]

I've found someone who'll paint her for £1500......

Blimey! Will she travel to do boats elsewhere !!

 

I can imagine a lot of people would show interest at that kind of figure.

 

Obviously it depends on exactly what's included, and what degree of preparation, but from anything I've heard that quote sounds highly competitive!

 

Good luck with it.

[Big Steve]

What's wrong with Dulux? This isn't a joke, newby would like to know. If you bought a boat whcih had been painted with household paint, (guess who has!) can a modern hi tec boaty paint be slapped on top or will it react?

[DaveR]

What's wrong with Dulux? This isn't a joke, newby would like to know. If you bought a boat whcih had been painted with household paint, (guess who has!) can a modern hi tec boaty paint be slapped on top or will it react?

 

It is possible it will lift the household paint off. It all depends on the chemical make up and the "strength" of the spirit which carries the new paint.

 

I would suggest that you do a small corner somewhere and prepare the old paint and then overcoat with the new. Leave it for a few weeks, and I do mean weeks, to see if there is any reaction. To test the adhesion of the new to old paint rub the surface with a plastic edge (cassette box or green pan scourer). If all is good then there will only be light scratching of the surface, if not you will be able to scrape off the new paint from the old paint below.

 

If the new paint doesn't adhere to the old paint it may be possible to use a buffer primer coat. The paint manufacturer will be able to help you on this.

Edited February 28, 2007 by DaveR

[David Schweizer]

What's wrong with Dulux? This isn't a joke, newby would like to know. If you bought a boat whcih had been painted with household paint, (guess who has!) can a modern hi tec boaty paint be slapped on top or will it react?

My boat was painted with Dulux Weathershield Gloss more than twelve years ago. It is looking rather dull now but it hasn't peeled or crazed. I repainted the bows and sterndeck about eight years ago with International Interlux, it hasn't come off yet!

[Big Steve]

Thanks for the tips fellas,, Steve

[wrigglefingers]

Thanks for the responses, chaps. Rylards it is then. The painter is started last year I think but I've seen good results and she likes doing it. It'll take about two to three weeks so I expect it'll be fitted in around other jobs. I'm not sure how the paint costs would be, and she's following the existing paint scheme on the boat now, except that I'm exchanging the dark red roof for cream and the green outer side panels for blue. I'm going to do the sign-writing with the artist in residence from school for her portfolio and lots and lots of beer and cakes. The design is nearly finished and should feature lots of sheep doing surprising things ........ (oooer!).

 

I figured that it would take at least my Easter Holiday to do the work and I really wanted to go out cruising instead, so I'm using the money I would save by not going on an expensive holiday to do the painting instead! I think that makes sense

 

Regards, Shep

 

PS ....... I'll ask her if she wants to travel .......

Edited March 1, 2007 by wrigglefingers

[Bones]

What's wrong with Dulux? This isn't a joke, newby would like to know. If you bought a boat whcih had been painted with household paint, (guess who has!) can a modern hi tec boaty paint be slapped on top or will it react?

 

My boat was painted with Crown household paint, and last year, after some sanding down, I put the first coat of dulux weathershield on - it is still on this year, and I don't expect it to fall off!

 

I thought long and hard and decided not to buy expensive speacialist paints for several reasons; Firstly to get a decent finish the boat probably needed sandblasting to get rid of all the years of bad paint work. Secondly although I knew preparation was the key how much was necessary and as I was doing it myself, and hadn't done it before, I didn't know whether my preparation would be up to much and thirdly even if I did a superb job on the preparation I might not do a decent job on the actual brushwork.

 

With these factors in mind I chose Dulux weathershield, and I chose Grey because it is the most forgiving colour I could think of, and if it looked awful it would just look as though it had been through a battle. I too am going to use cream for the roof (so it is cooler in summer).

 

Actually - it looks pretty good considering. I am going to be finishing off the bow and putting a second coat on this year. I should also mention that my boat is quite old (1986).

 

I did ask the merchants what the difference was between the internation on can buy in high street shops and the one for boats, and they did mention it had more protection against UV/fading in the sunshine. This was another reason for chosing Grey - it will just look grey after a few years as it is already dull (and therefore beautiful).

 

I added Olatrol (which I can't remember how to spell) which keeps a wet edge for longer and makes a HUGE difference in the ease of application.

 

Personally I will always use Dulux, but that is because of the factors mentioned above as well as my temperment, laziness and bank balance. 1500pounds for someone else to do the job with 'proper' paint is something I would seriously consider were I to paint Bones a different colour.

[ayeaye]

My boat was painted with Crown household paint, and last year, after some sanding down, I put the first coat of dulux weathershield on - it is still on this year, and I don't expect it to fall off!

 

I thought long and hard and decided not to buy expensive speacialist paints for several reasons; Firstly to get a decent finish the boat probably needed sandblasting to get rid of all the years of bad paint work. Secondly although I knew preparation was the key how much was necessary and as I was doing it myself, and hadn't done it before, I didn't know whether my preparation would be up to much and thirdly even if I did a superb job on the preparation I might not do a decent job on the actual brushwork.

 

With these factors in mind I chose Dulux weathershield, and I chose Grey because it is the most forgiving colour I could think of, and if it looked awful it would just look as though it had been through a battle. I too am going to use cream for the roof (so it is cooler in summer).

 

Actually - it looks pretty good considering. I am going to be finishing off the bow and putting a second coat on this year. I should also mention that my boat is quite old (1986).

 

I did ask the merchants what the difference was between the internation on can buy in high street shops and the one for boats, and they did mention it had more protection against UV/fading in the sunshine. This was another reason for chosing Grey - it will just look grey after a few years as it is already dull (and therefore beautiful).

 

I added Olatrol (which I can't remember how to spell) which keeps a wet edge for longer and makes a HUGE difference in the ease of application.

 

Personally I will always use Dulux, but that is because of the factors mentioned above as well as my temperment, laziness and bank balance. 1500pounds for someone else to do the job with 'proper' paint is something I would seriously consider were I to paint Bones a different colour.

 

I always use Rylard they also make an additive for painting in hot or cold weather makes it much easier, also Rylard isnt out and out on price

[Gillie]

I've found someone who'll paint her for £1500

 

 

How long is suprise Jill??

[wrigglefingers]

How long is suprise Jill??

 

Hello Gillie,

 

She's a 1992/3 Delph Marine 58' semi-trad with a rusty stern.

 

She's going to take some doing; I reckon that at £1500 it's worth a punt even if it's not quite up to Phil's standards. I'd find it difficult to justify the £6500 quoted to me by Devizes last year. Steve, my next boat neighbour, said that Richard Burchell, who you met with George, charged £3000 for his 57'. He did a beautiful job and I was very impressed. If you are thinking about repainting Vox at some point you're welcome to come and see Surprise. I don't know whether Richard would do another paint job but it may be worth asking him.

 

I think that I'm going to book the dry dock tho', at Sally or at Nigel's, to get her sanded down though, as I don't want to cause the lovely black paintwork on Harriet next door any grief. She'll be done in April/May as the weather is so uncertain at the mo'

 

Jill

[cyclic]

How long is suprise Jill??

 

OOoh.....You are lucky.

I so nearly bought Vox last year. Just loved the Engine room and Boatmans cabin... (Defo a man thing)

Hope Spencer did a good job with the rest of the fit out.

 

Good Luck with her

[ChrisK]

I painted Voyager with Craftmaster paint last year. Any imperfections in the finish are entirely down to my own incompetence. Not cheap, but what really impressed me was the lead warning on the tins. You won't get anything like that from B&Q! I will tell you about how well it lasts in about 5 years time.

[Gillie]

The paintwork on Vox is still really good..in fact George thought it was REALLY good

...so we will have to look after it really well and make it last

especially at those prices for your 57 ft I dread to think what Devizes would charge for a 70 ft boat

 

 

 

Chris...Did you buy another Boat instead of Vox or are you still looking?...

 

You are right...the engine room is a man thing..well my man loves it...

but I intend to learn ....at least its in its own room and warm in there so I won't be contorted and squashed under the stern ..freezing

[cyclic]

The paintwork on Vox is still really good..in fact George thought it was REALLY good

...so we will have to look after it really well and make it last

especially at those prices for your 57 ft I dread to think what Devizes would charge for a 70 ft boat

 

George did mine too.....

 

Chris...Did you buy another Boat instead of Vox or are you still looking?...

Yes. As Vox wasn't going to be completed for 6 weeks or so, I went for Harlequin which was then at Devizes. .That's given me the grim months to get it up together for the cruising season

 

You are right...the engine room is a man thing..well my man loves it...

but I intend to learn ....at least its in its own room and warm in there so I won't be contorted and squashed under the stern ..freezing

 

Hope you got the issues sorted with that Tug engine. I'd be in there all day tinkering with it

[cyclic]

Sorry Jill,

Didn't mean to hi-jack your thread..... Back to painting.

 

FWIW, I'm using a combination of Dulux Weathershield, as undercoat, and International as the top coat, on the planks and poles.

The weathershield is quick drying, so obviously cuts down time and chance of it getting wet at this time of year. I swear by it for outdoor applications, and IMHO, being water based, there's less chance of interaction between it and the solvent based International, when it's dried off.

 

We shall see